ASM2 Gearbox Failure
Discussion
mikey k said:
You probably need to read the Johnny 550 thread and understand the history of the cars "issues" 
My "perfectly good" S was far from it right out the box
My Aston MUST be a roadster, MUST have light weight seats and MUST have an ASM gearbox, they do not make this car (yet)
I did consider a V12VR manual and drove a couple, I could not get on with the light weight seats and 6MT combination nor did I want to spend another £80k
I came from a far more powerful roadster and miss its performance
BR's 5.0GT4 was the lowest risk way forward.
The car is in AM warranty and BR have agreed to warranty anything failing as a consequence of their work (this failure is not in that scope)
I didn't do the 100 miles, BR did it to Fords durability procedure employed by Aston Martin
The "other tweaks and upgrades" are all part of the project to compliment the 5.0GT4 engine (reinstate gearbox cooler add race drive shafts etc)
There wasn't an "epic decision" to split the gearbox it was always going to happen as it was required to retrofit the oil pump and hoses deleted by the factory.
You have your opinion and are welcome to the "lessons" from my experience, after all that is what these forums are for
They simply differ to mine
Mikey, I do hope you get your car to were you need it to be. It was not my intention to ridicule you, simply to point out that with, in my eyes a perfect car why change it and risk problems.My "perfectly good" S was far from it right out the box
My Aston MUST be a roadster, MUST have light weight seats and MUST have an ASM gearbox, they do not make this car (yet)
I did consider a V12VR manual and drove a couple, I could not get on with the light weight seats and 6MT combination nor did I want to spend another £80k
I came from a far more powerful roadster and miss its performance
BR's 5.0GT4 was the lowest risk way forward.
The car is in AM warranty and BR have agreed to warranty anything failing as a consequence of their work (this failure is not in that scope)
I didn't do the 100 miles, BR did it to Fords durability procedure employed by Aston Martin
The "other tweaks and upgrades" are all part of the project to compliment the 5.0GT4 engine (reinstate gearbox cooler add race drive shafts etc)
There wasn't an "epic decision" to split the gearbox it was always going to happen as it was required to retrofit the oil pump and hoses deleted by the factory.
You have your opinion and are welcome to the "lessons" from my experience, after all that is what these forums are for
They simply differ to mine
As a virgin Aston owner your post simply confirms to me that I won't tweak it and only let AMW work on it.
Hope it all works out for you fella.
PS: I'm neither a troll or a knob!
mikey k said:
They initially diagnosed a rear wheel bearing which I agreed to pay the parts cost for as the drive shafts are coming out any way
I'd also like to point out BR have offered to rebuild the gearbox at parts only cost to me which I feel is a great gesture of good will.
That is a good offer indeed, good one BR!I'd also like to point out BR have offered to rebuild the gearbox at parts only cost to me which I feel is a great gesture of good will.
FrankieV8VSP10 said:
Mikey, I do hope you get your car to were you need it to be. It was not my intention to ridicule you, simply to point out that with, in my eyes a perfect car why change it and risk problems.
As a virgin Aston owner your post simply confirms to me that I won't tweak it and only let AMW work on it.
Hope it all works out for you fella.
Thanks youAs a virgin Aston owner your post simply confirms to me that I won't tweak it and only let AMW work on it.
Hope it all works out for you fella.
It was not quite my "prefect" car and I knew that from day one, as I said they don't make my perfect Aston (yet)
Looking at the pictures it looks like a material failure on the final drive in the gearbox and this is not a part one would expect to wear in that way.
I am not surprised by the response from AM on this though. However, like you say it is not the only AMS2 gearbox issue at low mileage that is known about. Unfortunately for those who like to keep there car standard and don't want to do any modifications to it and would rather have it serviced by the junior technician at their local multi franchise dealer rather than use a specialist (who actually understands the engineering of the cars) may also be unlucky and face an expensive repair bill when their car falls outside of warranty.
Certainly there are a couple of nonsense posts above.
For those who think that it is the extra performance of the engine that killed the gearbox because it was taken beyond it's design spec, other than the addition of an oil cooler (which is what Mikey was having done), can they tell me how this V8VS gearbox differs from that in the higher power and higher torque V12VS?
I am not surprised by the response from AM on this though. However, like you say it is not the only AMS2 gearbox issue at low mileage that is known about. Unfortunately for those who like to keep there car standard and don't want to do any modifications to it and would rather have it serviced by the junior technician at their local multi franchise dealer rather than use a specialist (who actually understands the engineering of the cars) may also be unlucky and face an expensive repair bill when their car falls outside of warranty.
Certainly there are a couple of nonsense posts above.
For those who think that it is the extra performance of the engine that killed the gearbox because it was taken beyond it's design spec, other than the addition of an oil cooler (which is what Mikey was having done), can they tell me how this V8VS gearbox differs from that in the higher power and higher torque V12VS?
GlynV8 said:
Looking at the pictures it looks like a material failure on the final drive in the gearbox and this is not a part one would expect to wear in that way.
I am not surprised by the response from AM on this though. However, like you say it is not the only AMS2 gearbox issue at low mileage that is known about. Unfortunately for those who like to keep there car standard and don't want to do any modifications to it and would rather have it serviced by the junior technician at their local multi franchise dealer rather than use a specialist (who actually understands the engineering of the cars) may also be unlucky and face an expensive repair bill when their car falls outside of warranty.
Certainly there are a couple of nonsense posts above.
For those who think that it is the extra performance of the engine that killed the gearbox because it was taken beyond it's design spec, other than the addition of an oil cooler (which is what Mikey was having done), can they tell me how this V8VS gearbox differs from that in the higher power and higher torque V12VS?
I was not surprised at AM's response just dissapointedI am not surprised by the response from AM on this though. However, like you say it is not the only AMS2 gearbox issue at low mileage that is known about. Unfortunately for those who like to keep there car standard and don't want to do any modifications to it and would rather have it serviced by the junior technician at their local multi franchise dealer rather than use a specialist (who actually understands the engineering of the cars) may also be unlucky and face an expensive repair bill when their car falls outside of warranty.
Certainly there are a couple of nonsense posts above.
For those who think that it is the extra performance of the engine that killed the gearbox because it was taken beyond it's design spec, other than the addition of an oil cooler (which is what Mikey was having done), can they tell me how this V8VS gearbox differs from that in the higher power and higher torque V12VS?
The first week I had my car (Nov 2011) I had to take it to Wilmslow to sort some problems, there was another S on the ramps having a replacement gearbox fitted, I also know RobGT's Pearl had an new ASM2 box weeks in to ownership.
ASM3 is ASM2 WITH the cooler and slight different ratio's
I'm pragmatic about this, nothing ventured nothing gained, it has simply reinforced my feelings about customer support and QC
I will work with BR to get Johny to a level I'm happy with rather than wait for the V12VS roadster.
AMDBSNick said:
Ikebaddog said:
Genuine question, how does that make me a knob, and who the f
k made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
Good to see the mods have allowed the TB kids to play this week k made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
Ikebaddog said:
AMDBSNick said:
Ikebaddog said:
Genuine question, how does that make me a knob, and who the fk made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
Good to see the mods have allowed the TB kids to play this week k made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
AMDBSNick said:
Ikebaddog said:
AMDBSNick said:
Ikebaddog said:
Genuine question, how does that make me a knob, and who the fk made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
Good to see the mods have allowed the TB kids to play this week k made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properlySFO said:
if I am understanding this correctly, normal use of ASM2 may cause the box to over heat and may result in the broken bits here.
assuming that is so, is this a disaster waiting to happen to all other ASM2 cars out there?
or is OP just unlucky?
That's the million dollar question!assuming that is so, is this a disaster waiting to happen to all other ASM2 cars out there?
or is OP just unlucky?
IMHO there will be more to come
V12woollie said:
Ikebaddog said:
My mum died 20 years ago, are you trying to be funny?
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