ASM2 Gearbox Failure
Discussion
Ikebaddog said:
AMDBSNick said:
Ikebaddog said:
AMDBSNick said:
Ikebaddog said:
Genuine question, how does that make me a knob, and who the f
k made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
Good to see the mods have allowed the TB kids to play this week k made you judge of who's capable of reading the thread properly
But I've learnt to deal with it. Have you considered some sort of therapy?
FrankieV8VSP10 said:
I have just learned it...let AMW do all the work and avoid independents...simples!
Not quite that simple when BR have supplied engines and gearboxes for EU GT4 winners Rhesus, Nicholas Mee's UKGT4 winning car (who are AM approved ironically 
) and Mathols 2012 Global MA Challenge winning car Surely it's the supplying dealer who should be feeling your angst at the moment?
They are the ones who continually failed to diagnose the issue and as they are the ones who sold the car to you it would have been down to them to pick up any repair bill and then chase Aston for recompense. Obviously by getting a third party to open the box you've screwed your chance of that happening, but I'm not sure why this is becoming a "Boo Hiss Aston are the bad guys" thread.
They are the ones who continually failed to diagnose the issue and as they are the ones who sold the car to you it would have been down to them to pick up any repair bill and then chase Aston for recompense. Obviously by getting a third party to open the box you've screwed your chance of that happening, but I'm not sure why this is becoming a "Boo Hiss Aston are the bad guys" thread.
Neil1300r said:
Works are independent. No longer owned by the factory
Really? Who would you rather work on your car? Aston owners from around the world choose to get their cars repaired/serviced/worked on there...why? Aston Martin trained and qualified mechanics and technicians...that's why.mikey k said:
Not quite that simple when BR have supplied engines and gearboxes for EU GT4 winners Rhesus, Nicholas Mee's UKGT4 winning car (who are AM approved ironically ) and Mathols 2012 Global MA Challenge winning car
Mikey that's all well and good. For everyday normal road going cars I think I'll stay with AMW if that's all right. ) and Mathols 2012 Global MA Challenge winning car Impasse said:
Surely it's the supplying dealer who should be feeling your angst at the moment?
They are the ones who continually failed to diagnose the issue and as they are the ones who sold the car to you it would have been down to them to pick up any repair bill and then chase Aston for recompense. Obviously by getting a third party to open the box you've screwed your chance of that happening, but I'm not sure why this is becoming a "Boo Hiss Aston are the bad guys" thread.
Understand your point, but car is under the 3 year manufacturers warranty. So the dealer will end up back there. AM not always good at backing their warranty (they are not the only manufacturer). AM took the decision to not install the oil cooler on ASM II as they had on ASM I and then re-introduced for ASM III. If I was AM I would want to investigate further (not helped by an Indy opening it though), understand the issue and see if I could claim off the actual manufacturer of the gearbox - Graziano. If it proved to be because its not cooling properly I'd want to ensure not further customer issues.They are the ones who continually failed to diagnose the issue and as they are the ones who sold the car to you it would have been down to them to pick up any repair bill and then chase Aston for recompense. Obviously by getting a third party to open the box you've screwed your chance of that happening, but I'm not sure why this is becoming a "Boo Hiss Aston are the bad guys" thread.
Finally, if I was AM I would investigate to see if I could blame their ex senior engine engineer who is now setup developing and selling performance upgrades.
Either way it would IMHO it would have been better if AM had stepped in to investigate.
FrankieV8VSP10 said:
Really? Who would you rather work on your car? Aston owners from around the world choose to get their cars repaired/serviced/worked on there...why? Aston Martin trained and qualified mechanics and technicians...that's why.
Exactly the reason why people use an independent such as BR. Only they are not factory trained and qualified mechanics and technicians. They are people that designed and engineered the cars when they worked at AM. I know where I'd rather go given the choice and it isn't AMW. But when under warranty one has to use the dealer network for many things. Ikebaddog said:
I do apologise that I have an opinion, in the future, I will ask your permission before I post anything on what is obviously YOUR forum. Please forgive me.
Calm youself John.
I perhaps share your view, and intend to keep my AM completely standard.
0 to 100 mph (only requiring the first three gears) in under 10 seconds, is quite sufficient for me to enjoy ownership of the car. That means only very few seconds of full throttle, before thinking, this is not legal, slow down.
However, if some owners want to modify their cars, I am happy with that, and am interested to follow their progress.
For many years I have helped a club racing driver, and so know that when cars are modified, Murphy's Law causes some mchanical part to break on a race circuit. It is perfectly clear though from Mikey's description, and he has not driven his car yet in it's modified form (even though one contributor has accused him of driving too fast), that the final drive damage has nothing to do with any modified engine performance.
FrankieV8VSP10 said:
Neil1300r said:
Works are independent. No longer owned by the factory
Really? Who would you rather work on your car? Aston owners from around the world choose to get their cars repaired/serviced/worked on there...why? Aston Martin trained and qualified mechanics and technicians...that's why.Neil1300r said:
So are Trinity. So a are BR and lots of other Indys. Last time I was at Trinity there was a french owner picking up his DB5 from a service. Trinity get lots of business from around the world. BR had a car shipped to them feom Australia for performance upgrades. Unfortuently AM Works no longer provide performance upgrades.
And quite rightly so...have you seen what happens to gearboxes when you do!!FrankieV8VSP10 said:
Really? Who would you rather work on your car? Aston owners from around the world choose to get their cars repaired/serviced/worked on there...why? Aston Martin trained and qualified mechanics and technicians...that's why.
Yes indeed, AMW do some wonderful work, and in the case of some older cars, work that no one else can do. If I too lived near Newport Pagnell, they would also be my choice for servicing.Unfortunately Frankie, your initial contributions to this Topic did not start too well. Possibly because you have not been reading carefully enough.
You have had to have a new engine as well? Blimey engine and gearbox failure on a relatively young car...that's really bad! - COMPLETELY WRONG
That work is carried out and you drive the car sedately for 100 miles? Yeah of course you did! The first thing most people would do is say right let's see what difference that made...VROOMMMM. - COMPLETELY WRONG
Anyway don't take it to heart. We all share the passion for our Astons, even when sometimes they go wrong.
Its not BR; its not the gearbox; it does look like a legitimate warranty claim because it appears to be a manufacturing defect. The same pinion gear is likely used on all Gaydon transaxles, whether manual or ASM. It is I suspect an isolated instance which is being addressed in a sensible and pragmatic manner by the OP.Far too much hot air here.
You'd be better to call this a rear diff failure rather than continuing to call it a box failure. Therefore this is not likely attributed to the lack of gearbox cooling but rather a misassembled/misadjusted pinion/ring gear at Graziano, resulting in the audible gear whine from new.
Cooling or no, this failure would have occurred sooner or later. The dealer/factory should have rectified the whining diff 12,000 miles ago before it could get this far.
Cooling or no, this failure would have occurred sooner or later. The dealer/factory should have rectified the whining diff 12,000 miles ago before it could get this far.
Edited by DB9VolanteDriver on Saturday 8th March 05:45
DB9VolanteDriver said:
You'd be better to call this a rear diff failure rather than continuing to call it a box failure. Therefore this is not likely attributed to the lack of gearbox cooling but rather a misassembled/misadjusted pinion/ring gear at Graziano, resulting in the audible gear whine from new.
Cooling or no, this failure would have occurred sooner or later. The dealer/factory should have rectified the whining diff 12,000 miles ago before it could get this far.
I was thinking something similar (just checking blood alcohol level Cooling or no, this failure would have occurred sooner or later. The dealer/factory should have rectified the whining diff 12,000 miles ago before it could get this far.
Edited by DB9VolanteDriver on Saturday 8th March 05:45
) and I was wondering if the cooling was relevant or just the unfortunate reason the unit was opened invalidating the warranty. I'm now actually interested in the whining noise (from the car not posters) as my V8VS has a lot of what I would call mechanical noise. 'A lot' is relative, I come from whisper quiet BMWs where you don't hear anything from the transmission. I've done 1500 miles in it from new and assumed its part of its character.
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