The New AMG Engine Apparently The New Aston V8??
Discussion
JBaps said:
Personally I don't care what the roots of the an engine are, it just need to sounds right/good to my ears and deliver power in an "interesting" way!
May as well drop a Corvette engine in it. Or a Mustang. Or an Infiniti V8 would do fine. Or why not pick a 4 cyl of ANY brand, strap a supercharger to it to make the power delivery "interesting" and throw some fake "good" engine sound though the audio system and, presto, we have an Aston Martin engine 
Speedraser said:
JBaps said:
Personally I don't care what the roots of the an engine are, it just need to sounds right/good to my ears and deliver power in an "interesting" way!
May as well drop a Corvette engine in it. Or a Mustang. Or an Infiniti V8 would do fine. Or why not pick a 4 cyl of ANY brand, strap a supercharger to it to make the power delivery "interesting" and throw some fake "good" engine sound though the audio system and, presto, we have an Aston Martin engine 
Speedraser said:
JBaps said:
Personally I don't care what the roots of the an engine are, it just need to sounds right/good to my ears and deliver power in an "interesting" way!
May as well drop a Corvette engine in it. Or a Mustang. Or an Infiniti V8 would do fine. Or why not pick a 4 cyl of ANY brand, strap a supercharger to it to make the power delivery "interesting" and throw some fake "good" engine sound though the audio system and, presto, we have an Aston Martin engine Edited by JBaps on Sunday 30th November 11:42
Impasse said:
I like my old shed, it is a great little car. But if any of the three minor faults I listed don't actually happen to any AM product then I'll gladly retract my glib comment.
Sensitive, defensive humourless lot on here.
Now, let's talk about the Toyota Evora, the Ferrari Quattroporte, the BMW F1, the Mercedes Zonda and the Lamborghini R8. I hear their identity is defined by their engine manufacturer.
For all the frothing which goes on about this tie-up you'd think the engine supplier was the most important thing about the car. Which is ironic when the average indignant AM user probably couldn't even open the bonnet without referring to the handbook.
My cAr has none of the faults you list,so you can retract your glib comment .Sensitive, defensive humourless lot on here.
Now, let's talk about the Toyota Evora, the Ferrari Quattroporte, the BMW F1, the Mercedes Zonda and the Lamborghini R8. I hear their identity is defined by their engine manufacturer.
For all the frothing which goes on about this tie-up you'd think the engine supplier was the most important thing about the car. Which is ironic when the average indignant AM user probably couldn't even open the bonnet without referring to the handbook.
Mr. Speedraser, you are passionate with your views, and I think ideally many would agree with the points that you make.
I reluctantly accept though, that the trend of industry technical changes, such as smaller capacity engines with the power increased by turbochargers, which together with the ever present profitability constraints, now leave AML with very few options.
At least we now both own cars that we like. We cannot judge the replacement models yet, but if we are disappointed, then we just keep the cars that we already enjoy. Who knows, big engines, manual gearboxes and wonderful sounds, might become an interesting novelty in the future.
I've just noticed my tyres aren't made by Aston Martin but some other company that makes them for other cars too! And the tyres are the only thing that links the car to the rest of the world.. we're doomed!
Its not about who makes the engine, its whether they do a good job and give us the character we want.
Its not about who makes the engine, its whether they do a good job and give us the character we want.
Jon1967x said:
I've just noticed my tyres aren't made by Aston Martin but some other company that makes them for other cars too! And the tyres are the only thing that links the car to the rest of the world.. we're doomed!
Its not about who makes the engine, its whether they do a good job and give us the character we want.
They should have the aston approved stamp on them though.(AM8)Its not about who makes the engine, its whether they do a good job and give us the character we want.
cayman-black said:
Jon1967x said:
I've just noticed my tyres aren't made by Aston Martin but some other company that makes them for other cars too! And the tyres are the only thing that links the car to the rest of the world.. we're doomed!
Its not about who makes the engine, its whether they do a good job and give us the character we want.
They should have the aston approved stamp on them though.(AM8)Its not about who makes the engine, its whether they do a good job and give us the character we want.
But I prefer the Panto theme as this thread is a little pointless until we find out what they're going to do.
JBaps said:
And if Aston Martin developed their own tinny 4 pot turbo with a fake sound inside the cabin it would still be an Aston engine, so based on your criterion it would be the perfect engine for an Aston.
You actually think I said that???Edited by JBaps on Sunday 30th November 11:42
It would be an Aston engine. It wouldn't mean I'd want it.
Jon39 said:
Mr. Speedraser, you are passionate with your views, and I think ideally many would agree with the points that you make.
I reluctantly accept though, that the trend of industry technical changes, such as smaller capacity engines with the power increased by turbochargers, which together with the ever present profitability constraints, now leave AML with very few options.
At least we now both own cars that we like. We cannot judge the replacement models yet, but if we are disappointed, then we just keep the cars that we already enjoy. Who knows, big engines, manual gearboxes and wonderful sounds, might become an interesting novelty in the future.
I agree. I recognize that the next generation engines will "originate" with AMG. However, I'm hoping that they are significantly differentiated, such as with their own bore and/or stroke, crank, heads, or something along these lines. This is certainly within the available options -- I'm not talking about a clean sheet design. I reluctantly accept though, that the trend of industry technical changes, such as smaller capacity engines with the power increased by turbochargers, which together with the ever present profitability constraints, now leave AML with very few options.
At least we now both own cars that we like. We cannot judge the replacement models yet, but if we are disappointed, then we just keep the cars that we already enjoy. Who knows, big engines, manual gearboxes and wonderful sounds, might become an interesting novelty in the future.
I've always thought of Aston in the same tier of desirability as Ferrari, as do most car guys I know. An Aston that has been reduced to borrowing someone else's off-the-shelf engine could no longer be viewed as being in a comparable league to Ferrari, IMO. Is an Iso Grifo considered as special as a Ferrari? No. Is a Jensen Interceptor as desirable as an Aston Martin V8? No.
Speedraser said:
Gentlemen,
Without the passion, would there be any point in something like an Aston Martin?
IMO, the tire or windscreen wiper builder/designer isn't quite as important as the engine's or chassis'.
I do understand that, but it feels like it's being damned before we know.Without the passion, would there be any point in something like an Aston Martin?
IMO, the tire or windscreen wiper builder/designer isn't quite as important as the engine's or chassis'.
Speedraser said:
You actually think I said that???
It would be an Aston engine. It wouldn't mean I'd want it.
I did exactly what you did in response to my previous post, stretched what you had said to a ridiculous extreme.It would be an Aston engine. It wouldn't mean I'd want it.
My view remains the same, I'm not concerned about the origins of the engine as long as it's fit for purpose. If you'd bother to read my previous posts you'd see that I would be unlikely to be happy with a minor tweaked AMG engine. At the same time I think it's pretty daft to expect Aston Martin to in house develop a competitive engine to any significant degree themselves, they just don't have the resources to do this.
Jon1967x said:
I do understand that, but it feels like it's being damned before we know.
i think we all just want the very best next gen cars in the business, a parts bin raid might not yield that and some fear the raid end result might not be that grand. But whilst it is wrong to condemn it before its born, i think first dibs at condemnation goes Clarkson's way during his V12V assessment. The reasons for condemnation then were not fear of parts bin raid, but just that legislation is backing all makers into the same corner. Meaning when large displacement manuals disappear, the hardware left is the same everybody has, so how does an Aston differentiate itself from a fast Merc / AMG or BMW M? Relevant to this discussion because to make the Aston what everybody desires, is a significant rework of a parts bin raid.Speedraser said:
"Highly adapted" IMO understates how different it is from the Jaguar engine.
It needed to be highly adapted. The Jag engine didn't fit any part of the brief from a technical point of view. It was made 'bespoke' out of necessity. An AMG on the other hand doesn't need to be adapted much to fit the purpose. Gassing Station | Aston Martin | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff