AMOC - is it worth it?
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F1 NDW said:
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
NOT NECESSARILY.........LANZA'S THEORY OF BIOCENTRISM AND THE AFTERLIFE
Biocentrism is classed as the Theory of Everything and comes from the Greek for 'life centre'. It is the belief that life and biology are central to reality and that life creates the universe, not the other way round.
Lanza uses the example of the way we perceive the world around us.
A person sees a blue sky, and is told that the colour they are seeing is blue, but the cells in a person's brain could be changed to make the sky look green or red.
Our consciousness makes sense of the world, and can be altered to change this interpretation.
By looking at the universe from a biocentric's point of view, this also means space and time don't behave in the hard and fast ways our consciousness tell us it does.
In summary, space and time are 'simply tools of our mind.'
Once this theory about space and time being mental constructs is accepted, it means death and the idea of immortality exist in a world without spatial or linear boundaries.
Theoretical physicists believe that there is infinite number of universes with different variations of people, and situations taking place, simultaneously.
Lanza added that everything which can possibly happen is occurring at some point across these multiverses and this means death can't exist in 'any real sense' either.
Lanza, instead, said that when we die our life becomes a 'perennial flower that returns to bloom in the multiverse.'
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avinalarf said:
F1 NDW said:
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
NOT NECESSARILY.........LANZA'S THEORY OF BIOCENTRISM AND THE AFTERLIFE
Biocentrism is classed as the Theory of Everything and comes from the Greek for 'life centre'. It is the belief that life and biology are central to reality and that life creates the universe, not the other way round.
Lanza uses the example of the way we perceive the world around us.
A person sees a blue sky, and is told that the colour they are seeing is blue, but the cells in a person's brain could be changed to make the sky look green or red.
Our consciousness makes sense of the world, and can be altered to change this interpretation.
By looking at the universe from a biocentric's point of view, this also means space and time don't behave in the hard and fast ways our consciousness tell us it does.
In summary, space and time are 'simply tools of our mind.'
Once this theory about space and time being mental constructs is accepted, it means death and the idea of immortality exist in a world without spatial or linear boundaries.
Theoretical physicists believe that there is infinite number of universes with different variations of people, and situations taking place, simultaneously.
Lanza added that everything which can possibly happen is occurring at some point across these multiverses and this means death can't exist in 'any real sense' either.
Lanza, instead, said that when we die our life becomes a 'perennial flower that returns to bloom in the multiverse.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-250...
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You will be when I get my hands on you!!!! That's if I can get past those lady boy's you are living your life to the full with. Git.
Edited by F1 NDW on Monday 4th August 14:13
F1 NDW said:
For gods sake!!! membership costs buttons. I've had some fantastic days with the AMOC and I've had some fantastic day's with our PH crowd. I had a mate die this week aged 55 so I'm a bit tired and emotional. Theres no pockets in a shroud, it's later than you think and life's not a trial run so grab it with both hands. Join the AMOC and get out hooning with tne pistonheads crowd. Enjoy your Aston to the full while you can!!!
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
amen to that !!! You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
michael gould said:
F1 NDW said:
For gods sake!!! membership costs buttons. I've had some fantastic days with the AMOC and I've had some fantastic day's with our PH crowd. I had a mate die this week aged 55 so I'm a bit tired and emotional. Theres no pockets in a shroud, it's later than you think and life's not a trial run so grab it with both hands. Join the AMOC and get out hooning with tne pistonheads crowd. Enjoy your Aston to the full while you can!!!
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
amen to that !!! You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
F1 NDW said:
F* off Steve!!!!!!
You will be when I get my hands on you!!!! That's if I can get past those lady boy's you are living your life to the full with. Git.
Not much of the milk of loving kindness coming from your direction !You will be when I get my hands on you!!!! That's if I can get past those lady boy's you are living your life to the full with. Git.
Edited by F1 NDW on Monday 4th August 14:13
My Ladyboys are schooled in the Martial Arts,Kung Fu,Jujitsu,sanshou,muay thai,they are lethal.
F1 NDW said:
For gods sake!!! membership costs buttons. I've had some fantastic days with the AMOC and I've had some fantastic day's with our PH crowd. I had a mate die this week aged 55 so I'm a bit tired and emotional. Theres no pockets in a shroud, it's later than you think and life's not a trial run so grab it with both hands. Join the AMOC and get out hooning with tne pistonheads crowd. Enjoy your Aston to the full while you can!!!
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
wise words You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
downr said:
F1 NDW said:
For gods sake!!! membership costs buttons. I've had some fantastic days with the AMOC and I've had some fantastic day's with our PH crowd. I had a mate die this week aged 55 so I'm a bit tired and emotional. Theres no pockets in a shroud, it's later than you think and life's not a trial run so grab it with both hands. Join the AMOC and get out hooning with tne pistonheads crowd. Enjoy your Aston to the full while you can!!!
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
wise words You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
downr said:
F1 NDW said:
For gods sake!!! membership costs buttons. I've had some fantastic days with the AMOC and I've had some fantastic day's with our PH crowd. I had a mate die this week aged 55 so I'm a bit tired and emotional. Theres no pockets in a shroud, it's later than you think and life's not a trial run so grab it with both hands. Join the AMOC and get out hooning with tne pistonheads crowd. Enjoy your Aston to the full while you can!!!
You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
wise words You really are a long time DEAD!!!!!
Bleed'in fount of wisdom.
Like an Oracle, that bloke !
Budweiser said:
Obviously a lot has changed since this thread started so may I ask as a new first time owner of an Aston Martin how many of you are members?
I am, and it’s excellent. It’s kind of dependent on which area you are in, or whose meetings you attend. You can go to any as a member.
I’m in Area 22 (Gloucestershire UK) and we are very active. Have also been to Area 00 / 05 / 13 meetings - all great.
IMO If you don’t want to actually meet up with other like minded owners, may not be your thing, then it’s probably not worth it for the monthly and quaterly magazines.
Not a major risk to join for a year and see how you get on.
I’m glad I joined in with ancient thread resurrection week!
There’s been a fair bit of political infighting recently, there is a thread on here dedicated to it, maybe someone will post a link.
I’ve been considering AMOC for a while, especially since I acquired a NP car, I understand that the information and contacts you make through the club can be very useful when you have the older stuff. Many say the local meets and members are great.
Many would argue that some of these slightly snooty high end one make clubs are from another era, just like the cars they are principally devoted to. Watching hyper picky AMOC judges in action at concours shows often the only time some of the extremely valuable cars they judge see the light of day can support that idea. Before the internet joining such a club would have been the only way to meet like minded owners, and learn more about the history and where to get parts, make contacts etc.
There is a very large new contingent of AM enthusiasts that were lured in by the Bez era cars that are already being seen as ‘modern classics’ in this brave new warp speed world. Many of these owners have become or are rapidly becoming the kind of old grumbly crusty Paul Whitehouse type characters waffling on about the good old days and AM doing their own engines and understated cars etc, and for now, many seem to have made this corner of PH their home.
You will see a great many people in this bit of PH who are very serious about their Aston, stating that it is a keeper. They’ve become real afficionados, enthusiasts as we used to say, ‘fan-boys’ as the yout now like to say. Like many on here, I freely admit to being one - the bloody things can really get under your skin. Someone should write a post about why that is….
I’d say that the natural progression for this huge cohort of new, ‘modern era’ AM devotees, having been through their PH apprenticeship should be to the AMOC. It’s a huge opportunity for the AMOC, it’s just a shame that they seemed to be so busy with their politics and infighting to recognise it and develop a strategy to entice some of these ripe for the picking VH fans in.
There’s been a fair bit of political infighting recently, there is a thread on here dedicated to it, maybe someone will post a link.
I’ve been considering AMOC for a while, especially since I acquired a NP car, I understand that the information and contacts you make through the club can be very useful when you have the older stuff. Many say the local meets and members are great.
Many would argue that some of these slightly snooty high end one make clubs are from another era, just like the cars they are principally devoted to. Watching hyper picky AMOC judges in action at concours shows often the only time some of the extremely valuable cars they judge see the light of day can support that idea. Before the internet joining such a club would have been the only way to meet like minded owners, and learn more about the history and where to get parts, make contacts etc.
There is a very large new contingent of AM enthusiasts that were lured in by the Bez era cars that are already being seen as ‘modern classics’ in this brave new warp speed world. Many of these owners have become or are rapidly becoming the kind of old grumbly crusty Paul Whitehouse type characters waffling on about the good old days and AM doing their own engines and understated cars etc, and for now, many seem to have made this corner of PH their home.
You will see a great many people in this bit of PH who are very serious about their Aston, stating that it is a keeper. They’ve become real afficionados, enthusiasts as we used to say, ‘fan-boys’ as the yout now like to say. Like many on here, I freely admit to being one - the bloody things can really get under your skin. Someone should write a post about why that is….
I’d say that the natural progression for this huge cohort of new, ‘modern era’ AM devotees, having been through their PH apprenticeship should be to the AMOC. It’s a huge opportunity for the AMOC, it’s just a shame that they seemed to be so busy with their politics and infighting to recognise it and develop a strategy to entice some of these ripe for the picking VH fans in.
Edited by Calinours on Friday 25th August 09:13
Budweiser said:
Obviously a lot has changed since this thread started so may I ask as a new first time owner of an Aston Martin how many of you are members?
I was, as I got free membership with the insurance through Lockton. I renewed and expanded the membership to "joint" to include my wife. At the time my local group met about an hour away and my other commitments just didn't allow me to attend - we managed one New Year's Day meet, as it was held at a pub local to us.Then came the madness of the court case and the shenanigans on the Committee of Management. My wife and I decided I wanted no part of a club run like that so we left and, to maintain links to the brand, became Supporters of the AMHT. Last year AMOC approached me and asked if we'd like to rejoin, promising things had changed. I suggested they grant me temporary access for a couple of weeks to the Members' area of the website and forums so I could see for myself if the toxicity had been eliminated. AMOC responded that they couldn't do that, so we remained with AMHT. Their loss. I will emphasise that it wasn't about the cost of membership.
Having said all of that, many members just ignored the goings-on at HQ and enjoyed the local activities - and those very much depend on how good the local Rep and their team are. It may be worth simply going onto the AMOC website, finding out who your local area Rep is and when and where they meet and just go along to a meeting. If the rep is worth his salt you'll be welcomed as a prospective member and you'll get a feel for what the area is like and what activities they put on.
typo fixed
Edited by LTP on Friday 25th August 09:14
I joined when I got my first Aston and am still a member.
The monthly magazine is usually worth a quick read.
The club itself in terms of meetings and events seems as good or bad as the Regional reps are so you may get lucky or not.
The forum remains clunky in use and compared to PH not nearly as inviting to use.
The biggest downside remains the COM who despite promises to return to the running of AMOC as a car club steadfastly continue to treat it as a commercial business but run seemingly badly.
Ego’s and internal politics continue to taint it.
Imho it still feels as anything Gaydon built and newer isn’t given much more than lip service by the COM but at Regional rep level this is far less of an issue.
At the current £105 membership I would say it’s worth a go for at least a year and then see what you think.
The monthly magazine is usually worth a quick read.
The club itself in terms of meetings and events seems as good or bad as the Regional reps are so you may get lucky or not.
The forum remains clunky in use and compared to PH not nearly as inviting to use.
The biggest downside remains the COM who despite promises to return to the running of AMOC as a car club steadfastly continue to treat it as a commercial business but run seemingly badly.
Ego’s and internal politics continue to taint it.
Imho it still feels as anything Gaydon built and newer isn’t given much more than lip service by the COM but at Regional rep level this is far less of an issue.
At the current £105 membership I would say it’s worth a go for at least a year and then see what you think.
For me, (not that i suspect they would be interested in having me) i dont see the point.
I have never been that into looking at loads of similar cars in a field, i have never had a burning desire to rub one with a cloth for hours. I am interested in the engineering of the car and using it how I believe a performance car should be used (otherwise what is the point really), these days for me that means track time whenever i can manage it. I dont see that the club would have any really interest in that or me.
Open to having my mind changed bur it just feels like something of a spent force. I may be completely incorrect, but that is my strong perception
I have never been that into looking at loads of similar cars in a field, i have never had a burning desire to rub one with a cloth for hours. I am interested in the engineering of the car and using it how I believe a performance car should be used (otherwise what is the point really), these days for me that means track time whenever i can manage it. I dont see that the club would have any really interest in that or me.
Open to having my mind changed bur it just feels like something of a spent force. I may be completely incorrect, but that is my strong perception
I joined in April this year while at the Simply Aston Martin event at Beaulieu ... They had a small discount so it was worth a punt, there were plenty taking them up on the offer at the venue.
Within a month of joining Area 1, I had been on a few events and met some great people. Not long after that I put myself forward for Area 1 Assistant Rep as the long standing and well respected rep David Such was moving on after around 30 years in the role. David King stepped into his shoes and I thought given the warm welcome I and other new members received, I would try and give something back.
So far, I have nothing but praise for AMOC, certainly Area 1 but from what I hear there are other very good and active areas. I am aware not all areas are as good or as active.
I've read a lot on here and heard others talk of the politics that has gone on but I have not experienced anything of this as yet.
Within a month of joining Area 1, I had been on a few events and met some great people. Not long after that I put myself forward for Area 1 Assistant Rep as the long standing and well respected rep David Such was moving on after around 30 years in the role. David King stepped into his shoes and I thought given the warm welcome I and other new members received, I would try and give something back.
So far, I have nothing but praise for AMOC, certainly Area 1 but from what I hear there are other very good and active areas. I am aware not all areas are as good or as active.
I've read a lot on here and heard others talk of the politics that has gone on but I have not experienced anything of this as yet.
Edited by BiggaJ on Friday 25th August 12:40
I’d agree with Jon.
I too became a new member in April (courtesy of AM Bristol).
I’m in the same AMOC Area (01) and it’s been great. As a V8VS owner, there are few with VH and newer cars, in addition to older models.
Informal and relaxed cars and coffee meets at Denbies Vineyard first Sunday of the month have been a great way to meet others and there have been quite a few new members at them. Also a regular cadence of going to a pub for dinner on a particular Wednesday (which I miss as I work away in the week).
From the WhatsApp group, there are other events some of which are held in conjunction with other areas. Also, some members highlight non AMOC events which could be of interest.
I’ll renew my membership when the time comes if that helps.
I too became a new member in April (courtesy of AM Bristol).
I’m in the same AMOC Area (01) and it’s been great. As a V8VS owner, there are few with VH and newer cars, in addition to older models.
Informal and relaxed cars and coffee meets at Denbies Vineyard first Sunday of the month have been a great way to meet others and there have been quite a few new members at them. Also a regular cadence of going to a pub for dinner on a particular Wednesday (which I miss as I work away in the week).
From the WhatsApp group, there are other events some of which are held in conjunction with other areas. Also, some members highlight non AMOC events which could be of interest.
I’ll renew my membership when the time comes if that helps.
Budweiser said:
I am in Area 11 is there anyone on here from this area who could give me an insight into their activities etc?
Thanks to others for their thoughts and opinions.
A lot of the comments mirror my own experiences whilst a member of the Porsche Club.
As noted above, you could email the area rep directly, or maybe send him a PM via Facebook. As far as I know Facebook is the platform of choice for a lot of this stuff nowadays and there is a private Area 11 AMOC Facebook group that could be worth joining. BRM. Thanks to others for their thoughts and opinions.
A lot of the comments mirror my own experiences whilst a member of the Porsche Club.
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