Polishing mops

[Byteme]

KarlFranz said:

For the same reason you wouldn't use a jackhammer to remove a nail. As I explained before, the way polish works is by removing a very fine layer of paint. It is not a side-effect. It is the intended purpose. I'm curious of how you think polishing actually works.

Thanks for posting that picture, it proves my point perfectly. Polish the sharp edges of those v scratches and what happens? They get WIDER.

[KarlFranz]

Byteme said:

Thanks for posting that picture, it proves my point perfectly. Polish the sharp edges of those v scratches and what happens? They get WIDER.

Err, no. They get NARROWER. Unless you live in bizarro world. The problem is that you somehow think polishing works by magically rounding off the edges of the scratches without touching the surrounding paint. Picture the horizontal dashed line on the diagram moving its way vertically down and you will see that the edges of the "V" of each scratch get closer as you move down.

Edited by KarlFranz on Thursday 28th August 18:33

[Byteme]

KarlFranz said:

Err, no. They get NORROWER. Unless you live in bizarro world.

But in your world you don't understand the process. Polishing makes them wider.

[KarlFranz]

Please see my edited comment above.

[Byteme]

I refer the gentleman to my previous reply.

[johnS2000]

Byteme said:

But in your world you don't understand the process. Polishing makes them wider.

There is something very wrong here !

I think your a wind up merchant and just ( I believe the term is )trolling .

If so then sex and travel.

[Byteme]

johnS2000 said:

There is something very wrong here !

I think your a wind up merchant and just ( I believe the term is )trolling .

If so then sex and travel.

I'm trying to make you think. Why get so offended?

[johnS2000]

I'm not offended in the least .

I think you're trying to wind people up !

You do not know anything about detailing or polishing paint .

[Byteme]

johnS2000 said:

I'm not offended in the least .

I think you're trying to wind people up !

You do not know anything about detailing or polishing paint .

Given my background that's actually very funny.

I'm disappointed, you were nearly there so don't give up.

[KarlFranz]

Maybe this image will help; unless you're trolling, in which case I give up.

[Byteme]

KarlFranz said:

Maybe this image will help; unless you're trolling, in which case I give up.

I'm not sure where you are getting these images from or what they were intended to explain but they're far too simplistic. The exaggerate a condition to illustrate a point that was never mentioned by the original poster.

All polishing machines and hand operations follow contours. There's a huge difference between your diagrams demonstrating geometry, that I can't fault, and the reality of the polishing process.

Edited by Byteme on Thursday 28th August 19:26

[V8 Animal]

Boring

[Byteme]

V8 Animal said:

Boring

Just as many aspects of your own area of business are to 99.99% of the general public I suppose.

Do you know what? I would love to learn about those finer details.

Edited by Byteme on Thursday 28th August 19:51

[Neil1300r]

fk me!
Thought this was the Aston sub forum not the oh so boring my polishing skills are better than yours. Shouldn't this inane discussion be in Detailing World?

[Byteme]

So where should the inane "show me you water fall" thread end up?

Edited by Byteme on Thursday 28th August 20:06

[KarlFranz]

Byteme said:

I'm not sure where you are getting these images from or what they were intended to explain but they're far too simplistic. The exaggerate a condition to illustrate a point that was never mentioned by the original poster.

All polishing machines and hand operations follow contours. There's a huge difference between your diagrams demonstrating geometry, that I can't fault, and the reality of the polishing process.

The problem is that you don't seem to understand the concept of scale here. It seems you think of this as some huge scratch and this tiny little polish mop that can somehow ride the contours of the scratch shaving the edges of it (and making it wider) without somehow affecting the surrounding paint surface.

The fact is that the surface of the polishing pad is much larger than the width of a scratch and there are often thousands of scratches per inch of surface. So the pad doesn't "follow the contours" of any individual scratch. It rides along the top surface of all the scratches, shaving them all down at the same time. Even the small indentations of the open cell foam on a polishing pad are still way too large to go into the crevice of any individual scratch.

Think of the difference of using a riding lawn mower over a valleys around a golf course (where it does follow the contours) versus using the same mower over one of the holes on the green (where the mower rides on the surface).

[KarlFranz]

Neil1300r said:

fk me!
Thought this was the Aston sub forum not the oh so boring my polishing skills are better than yours. Shouldn't this inane discussion be in Detailing World?

And yet, here you are still reading it. Riveting, isn't it?

[V8 Animal]

Byteme said:

Just as many aspects of your own area of business are to 99.99% of the general public I suppose.

Do you know what? I would love to learn about those finer details.

Edited by Byteme on Thursday 28th August 19:51

Nope I really don't believe that, most of the public can't do what I and we do for a living.
To them it's fascinating to watch all aspects of what we do.
We have a showroom too that the public want to see.

Would you like me to go on? or are you bored yet?

[KarlFranz]

V8 Animal said:

Nope I really don't believe that, most of the public can't do what I and we do for a living.
To them it's fascinating to watch all aspects of what we do.
We have a showroom too that the public want to see.

Would you like me to go on? or are you bored yet?

The anticipation is killing me! please carry on.
Or we could turn our conversation back to the ladyboys topic...

[Byteme]

KarlFranz said:

The problem is that you don't seem to understand the concept of scale here. It seems you think of this as some huge scratch and this tiny little polish mop that can somehow ride the contours of the scratch shaving the edges of it (and making it wider) without somehow affecting the surrounding paint surface.

The fact is that the surface of the polishing pad is much larger than the width of a scratch and there are often thousands of scratches per inch of surface. So the pad doesn't "follow the contours" of any individual scratch. It rides along the top surface of all the scratches, shaving them all down at the same time. Even the small indentations of the open cell foam on a polishing pad are still way too large to go into the crevice of any individual scratch.

Think of the difference of using a riding lawn mower over a valleys around a golf course (where it does follow the contours) versus using the same mower over one of the holes on the green (where the mower rides on the surface).

It's all about scale and the images you posted are rather extreme examples showing at least 1/3 of the clear-coat to be penetrated. These are only illustrative however any significant and obvious paint defect is rarely best remedied with the biggest weapon in the polishing arsenal.

Cell size on a foam head is irrelevant when its rotating at 1800 rpm initially and probably much faster when finishing. The behaviour of the head changes in just the same way as lambswool changes from being soft and fluffy to incredibly aggressive.

To use you golf course analogy if I wanted to level it, just as they all should be, it wouldn't matter how many times I ran your ride-on mowers over it, the contours of the course wouldn't change.