Polishing mops

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V8 Animal

5,914 posts

209 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
If anyone can show me how I'm incorrect then perhaps I'll provide some background. Somehow, I don't see that happening here.

Perhaps you could track down one of Peter Childs' books.
I don't think anyone of us could give a toss.

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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V8 Animal said:
I don't think anyone of us could give a toss.
That's patently clear but outweighed manifold by the staggering level of ignorance and failure to grasp one of the most basic concepts of polishing.

Thanks for indulging me in my experiment. You've all proved a point that will keep the professionals in work forever.

Peter Childs incidentally was almost certainly Aston Martin's most knowledgable paint expert. His two books detail exactly how the finest finishes can be obtained however for every 1000 people who read it 999 fail to achieve the standard.

Oh well, off you go with your dual action polishers and total understanding of what kind of finish can be achieved just by understanding a basic concept and learning a few skills based upon it.

I'm surprised no one was bright enough to work it out.

Laser Sag

2,860 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
That's patently clear but outweighed manifold by MY staggering level of ignorance.
You've all proved a point that will keep the professionals in work forever.
Edited for total accuracy.

And on the basis of your statement you will presumably not be very busy at all.

Thanks for the amusement and I trust you enjoy your upcoming first day at big school this week.

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Laser Sag said:
Byteme said:
That's patently clear but outweighed manifold by MY staggering level of ignorance.
You've all proved a point that will keep the professionals in work forever.
Edited for total accuracy.

And on the basis of your statement you will presumably not be very busy at all.

Thanks for the amusement and I trust you enjoy your upcoming first day at big school this week.
Altering my text is rather childish.

If you want to make me appear foolish all you have to do is show how my assertions are incorrect instead of compounding your failure to understand something any talented school leaver would work out for themselves in a few minutes.

Edited by Byteme on Sunday 31st August 17:04

Jon1967x

7,177 posts

123 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
Peter Childs incidentally was almost certainly Aston Martin's most knowledgable paint expert. His two books detail exactly how the finest finishes can be obtained however for every 1000 people who read it 999 fail to achieve the standard.
Judging by my car, the 999 who failed all worked for Aston Martin.

Laser Sag

2,860 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
Altering my text is rather childish.

If you want to make me appear foolish all you have to do is show how my assertions are incorrect instead of compounding your failure to understand something any talented school leaver would work out for themselves in a few minutes.

Edited by Byteme on Sunday 31st August 17:04
Childish maybe but unlike you I do not take myself too seriously and anyway you bite so easily it just becomes fun.

I'm not trying to make you appear foolish that takes no effort from me you manage it so well all by yourself.

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Laser Sag said:
Childish maybe but unlike you I do not take myself too seriously and anyway you bite so easily it just becomes fun.

I'm not trying to make you appear foolish that takes no effort from me you manage it so well all by yourself.
But you're still totally out of your depth when it comes to showing why I was wrong. Any professional reading this thread will be laughing their socks off, at people like you who fail to understand something so simple.

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Jon1967x said:
Judging by my car, the 999 who failed all worked for Aston Martin.
I bet if they agreed with you any problems would have been rectified.

Laser Sag

2,860 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
But you're still totally out of your depth when it comes to showing why I was wrong. Any professional reading this thread will be laughing their socks off, at people like you who fail to understand something so simple.
But it will only be the professionals reading this that are laughing their socks off at me whereas everyone is laughing at you and the biggest difference is I can handle it whereas your arrogance shows you can't.

What you really don't seem to get in all of this is I have no desire to show wether you are wrong or not.

By the way all the true professionals I've come across in various fields have never found the need to either laugh at or belittle those who are not experts in that field.


Jon1967x

7,177 posts

123 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
Jon1967x said:
Judging by my car, the 999 who failed all worked for Aston Martin.
I bet if they agreed with you any problems would have been rectified.
They had my car back for a week to correct the paintwork. And I am far from unusual in my problems.

If you think AM know how to paint and polish a car then you're living in the Newport Pagnell era that has long since disappeared except for maybe Works service which of course you'll know isn't part of Aston Martin anymore

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Laser Sag said:
What you really don't seem to get in all of this is I have no desire to show wether you are wrong or not.
What you're really embarrassed by is that fact that you don't have the capacity to.

Laser Sag

2,860 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
What you're really embarrassed by is that fact that you don't have the capacity to.
Nope my knowledge of the English language is quite adequate to use the word I wanted which was desire, the only embarrassement I feel is for you but as you come across as such an arrogant person that feeling didn't last for very long smile

Laser Sag

2,860 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
Laser Sag said:
Mike, all the things I have read recommend starting off with the combination of least agressive pad and least agressive compound of polish if that has no effect then go to least agressive pad with a more agressive compound until you find the combination that has the cut you need.
Personally I have prefered to use less agressive combinations and go over the area more times, wether right or wrong I have worked on the fact that I will be much less likely to cause any damage myself that way.

The most effective option though is to give Paddy a call and get him to work his cake powered witchcraft on your car, the pixie dust he uses has some fantastic results smile.
By the time you have purchased a decent dual action polisher(dont go for rotary as you can cut through the clear coat and cause a lot of damge very quickly)a selection of good quality pads and polishes you will be reaching the cost of having a paint correction carried out by a pro.

Edited by Laser Sag on Sunday 31st August 12:10
So let me get this right, your first attempt hasn't worked but has removed a whole load of the surrounding paint, after all, as some have asserted (not me) this is the whole purpose of polishing. Having failed you then repeat the process using using a more aggressive compound on the same compliant pad that failed the first time. Good luck with that.

Dual action polishers are, for the most part, a complete waste of time and only intended for the amateur who isn't prepared to put in a little bit of effort. A single good quality polishing compound and rotary polisher is pretty much all you'll ever need to reach 95% of a paint finishes potential. A foam head and a finer grade compound will then bring it up to near perfection with only the tiniest amount of hand finishing then required.

A rotary polisher will only damage a clear coat when used by someone who doesn't know how to use it. There's a minimum of 50 microns/0.002" of clear, more than enough to withstand quite a lot of abrasion. It has always been an easy system to work with unlike the single layer metallic TPA and cellulose finishes that Aston Martin used to use when it really was an art to finish a car.
Extract from the Polished Bliss web site on how to polish your car and removal of light defects, now these guys have a proven track record and as such are what us amatuers would definitely class as professionals. So if it is their advice then I will take it, i will try to be helpful and pass it on to someone who has asked for advice.
Now that we have examined all of the choices surrounding machine polishing, we should be able to determine safe approaches to defect correction. In all cases, the first thing you should do is ensure that your paint is spotlessly clean and dry; wash your car first and then decontaminate it if surface contamination is evident. In order to correct serious paint defects, such as severe swirl marks and acid etching, we recommend that you first try using a polishing pad in conjunction with a medium abrasive polish (the exact choice should be made with due consideration given to the hardness of the paint being polished; this topic is covered in detail in our guide entitled "What polish should I use?"). This combination can be worked hard at high speed without fear of removing too much of the clearcoat. If after several applications the defects still persist, you may want to consider swapping over to a cutting pad and a heavier polishing compound. However, such action should not be taken lightly and ideally only if you are experienced at machine polishing or have sought advice from an experienced person first. If you decide to proceed, always work in a well lit area, check your progress after every attempt, and keep the working speed below 5000 orbits per minute.

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Laser Sag said:
Extract from the Polished Bliss web site on how to polish your car and removal of light defects, now these guys have a proven track record and as such are what us amatuers would definitely class as professionals. So if it is their advice then I will take it, i will try to be helpful and pass it on to someone who has asked for advice.
Now that we have examined all of the choices surrounding machine polishing, we should be able to determine safe approaches to defect correction. In all cases, the first thing you should do is ensure that your paint is spotlessly clean and dry; wash your car first and then decontaminate it if surface contamination is evident. In order to correct serious paint defects, such as severe swirl marks and acid etching, we recommend that you first try using a polishing pad in conjunction with a medium abrasive polish (the exact choice should be made with due consideration given to the hardness of the paint being polished; this topic is covered in detail in our guide entitled "What polish should I use?"). This combination can be worked hard at high speed without fear of removing too much of the clearcoat. If after several applications the defects still persist, you may want to consider swapping over to a cutting pad and a heavier polishing compound. However, such action should not be taken lightly and ideally only if you are experienced at machine polishing or have sought advice from an experienced person first. If you decide to proceed, always work in a well lit area, check your progress after every attempt, and keep the working speed below 5000 orbits per minute.
So why would they tell you all their secrets? You shouldn't take everything you read on the internet so literally.

Laser Sag

2,860 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Byteme said:
So why would they tell you all their secrets? You shouldn't take everything you read on the internet so literally.
I give up, you obviously live in a little world of your own where you know absolutely everything I truly hope you will be happy there.

Byteme

450 posts

141 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Laser Sag said:
I give up, you obviously live in a little world of your own where you know absolutely everything I truly hope you will be happy there.
And yet for some reason, those insecurities you seem plagued by, keep you coming back again and again. It must really bother you that you can't understand something so simple!

KarlFranz

2,008 posts

269 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Jon1967x said:
Judging by my car, the 999 who failed all worked for Aston Martin.
laugh I hear that a lot. That is why my dealer has to spend a couple of thousand dollars paint-correcting every black car they get delivered from the factory. Apparently, Mr. Maggoo works in the paint department (as well as being the final inspector). smile

Edited by KarlFranz on Sunday 7th September 01:15

1973ja

141 posts

144 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Could I make anyone a nice cup of tea? You're about to make the most posts I've ever seen. This forum is a friendly place, do us a favour and agree to disagree for the sake of everyone please

paddy328

2,902 posts

184 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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On a side note, nobody at the factory or Newport pagnell knows how to polish a car or indeed paint a car without then making a mess of it with a dirty cloth or something along those lines.

I'm sure it's all down to time, costs, pride or lack of, but I guess that if they did prep the cars to a high standard, then I wouldn't have as much work.

Jon1967x

7,177 posts

123 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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paddy328 said:
I'm sure it's all down to time, costs, pride or lack of, but I guess that if they did prep the cars to a high standard, then I wouldn't have as much cake.
EFA smile