DB9 no service history

DB9 no service history

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Deano84

Original Poster:

812 posts

191 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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Hello guys.

If a 2007 DB9 with 50k on the clock is worth roughly £42,000 retail with full history, how much do you think the same car would be worth with NO service history?

Just interested to get your thoughts......

Cheers.
Dean.

steveatesh

4,893 posts

163 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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Whatever you or somebody else was prepared to pay for it s the right answer.

I'm assuming you can not prove if it has ever been serviced in which case It would have to be significantly less for me to even consider it, if I even would.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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steveatesh said:
Whatever you or somebody else was prepared to pay for it s the right answer.

I'm assuming you can not prove if it has ever been serviced in which case It would have to be significantly less for me to even consider it, if I even would.
Agree with the opener.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Too much downside in expensive cars when you cannot see how well they have been maintained. Hell, even when a car has been looked after well there are few guarantees. But you want to be minimising your risk!

Deano84

Original Poster:

812 posts

191 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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Thanks for the replies guys, I have always ensured every Aston I have owned in the past has a full main dealer service history (only owned vantage v8's), this car is available for a low price, it's just hard to put a value on what it's worth..... I know the lack of history would rule out 90 percent of buyers resale wise..... But I was just trying to gauge what the other 10 percent would think it's worth really, you are absolutely right, it is only worth what someone is prepared
to pay, risky game especially if something goes wrong.

Edited by Deano84 on Monday 22 September 23:48

Neil1300r

5,487 posts

177 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Has it no service history with AM dealers or has it just been lost? If the latter, ask a dealership for copies. If the former,then as has been said its a huge risk. Under £20k would be my bid.

mikey k

13,011 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Murph7355 said:
steveatesh said:
Whatever you or somebody else was prepared to pay for it s the right answer.

I'm assuming you can not prove if it has ever been serviced in which case It would have to be significantly less for me to even consider it, if I even would.
Agree with the opener.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Too much downside in expensive cars when you cannot see how well they have been maintained. Hell, even when a car has been looked after well there are few guarantees. But you want to be minimising your risk!
Yep
How much is the risk worth to you?

V8V12VTECwoollie

4,363 posts

144 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Lots of cars out there with a service history so no need to buy one without. Unlikely that it has none at all as the first owner would have purchased a £100K car so probably wouldn't have skimped on the servicing. Definitely worth seeing if any history exists and then make a decision.

nw28840

985 posts

178 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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My Vantage V8 Coupe i purchased in 2012 had limited service history. It was a December 2005 car on SOR that had done 25000 miles. The current owner had had the car 3.5 years and had done +- 4000 miles in that time and just never serviced it. The car was up for £40k, I eventually paid £32k after having the car inspected and sticking to what i was prepared to pay (Offer was accepted a month later). I then spent another +- £1500 on servicing the car and 2 new rear tyres. Owned the car for 14 months, ran like a dream and only got rid of it to buy the Roadster.

HWM Aston Martin were very helpful.




michael gould

5,691 posts

240 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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obviously the car must have a service history, I can't believe its not been near a dealer since it was sold !....i would be very suspicious

AM Blasi

5 posts

115 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Cars do run on an engine not on a booklet...

Take the car to a AM-Dealer get it fully checked and serviced and every Thing is fine, what should a booklet do better...

Jakg

3,451 posts

167 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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michael gould said:
obviously the car must have a service history, I can't believe its not been near a dealer since it was sold !....i would be very suspicious
Perhaps it's been clocked such that it's worth more with no service history than it would be with it's real mileage and an FSH...

AMDBSNick

6,990 posts

161 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Surely you need to know why??? and then you can make an informed decision.

I recently tried to buy a DB9 from a main dealer that had covered less than 20000 miles with FAMSH. Imagine my surprise when the salesman called to say it a failed the 140 point check miserably and was off to the auction yikes

mikey k

13,011 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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AM Blasi said:
Cars do run on an engine not on a booklet...

Take the car to a AM-Dealer get it fully checked and serviced and every Thing is fine, what should a booklet do better...
Good luck with that!
I recently looked at a V12 roadster that had been "checked" by a dealer even Stevie Wonder would have spotted some of the issues!
Also servicing is not only about changing consumables its about looking for changes and minor issues before they become major/costly ones.
Any car that hasn't had that regular look over could well be hiding issues a dealer won't spot on a 140 point check. Hey presto you have a large bill and the car off the road. A recent example would be the car that had a chaffed battery lead causing electrical gremlins, the dealer didn't spot it, an indie did and replaced the wiring before it caused a fire.

Jon1967x

7,177 posts

123 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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mikey k said:
AM Blasi said:
Cars do run on an engine not on a booklet...

Take the car to a AM-Dealer get it fully checked and serviced and every Thing is fine, what should a booklet do better...
Good luck with that!
I recently looked at a V12 roadster that had been "checked" by a dealer even Stevie Wonder would have spotted some of the issues!
Also servicing is not only about changing consumables its about looking for changes and minor issues before they become major/costly ones.
Any car that hasn't had that regular look over could well be hiding issues a dealer won't spot on a 140 point check. Hey presto you have a large bill and the car off the road. A recent example would be the car that had a chaffed battery lead causing electrical gremlins, the dealer didn't spot it, an indie did and replaced the wiring before it caused a fire.
Is the 140 point check more than a main dealer would do as part of a service (accepting the service would also change consumables like oil, filters etc)? I suspect a service checks less and would miss a number of things until they cause a failure. An MOT would also find various failing items but not all until they'd actually failed. The service history gives some peace of mind to the internals you can't see but probably not a lot more that a thorough inspection can't reveal. For instance who cares if the pads were worn down and scored the discs if both have now now been replaced whereas running on 4 year old oil is causing hidden wear.

Like others have suggested, I'd be looking for a plausible reason why there's no history.

selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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How difficult will this thing be to move on, come the time you no longer want it? I'd imagine you'd take an even bigger hit than the last seller, as the car will be older and with higher mileage (obviously). Not knowing the marque values, but speaking generically, I wouldn't go near it.

keegs111

164 posts

150 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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I purchased a 2006 db9, 30k with full history and full Aston 12 month warranty. I had the dealer agree in writing that I would have the car examined by an independent specialist after purchase and that they would cover the cost of all required repairs. When I picked up the car it drove beautifully. I had It for a wek and almost didn't bother taking it for its engineers assessment as it was so nice to drive. Imagine my surprise when the engineer found £11k worth or work which was required to bring the car back up to scratch. Deal tried to buy car back from me but I decided to hold them to their promise rather than sell car back. after a few letters they paid for the work to be done. Remember, this was a car with lower mileage and full aston history. Just because it drives nicely, doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work needed to put it back into the condition you should try and keep these cars in.



Edited by keegs111 on Tuesday 23 September 17:09

V8V Pete

2,496 posts

125 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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keegs111 said:
I purchased a 2006 db9, 30k with full history and full Aston 12 month warranty. I had the dealer agree in writing that I would have the car examined by an independent specialist after purchase and that they would cover the cost of all required repairs. When I picked up the car it drove beautifully. I had It for a wek and almost didn't bother taking it for its engineers assessment as it was so nice to drive. Imagine my surprise when the engineer found £11k worth or work which was required to bring the car back up to scratch. Deal tried to buy car back from me but I decided to hold them to their promise rather than sell car back. after a few letters they paid for the work to be done. Remember, this was a car with lower mileage and full aston history. Just because it drives nicely, doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work needed to put it back into the condition you should try and keep these cars in.



Edited by keegs111 on Tuesday 23 September 17:09
Interesting - what was the £11K worth of work that needed doing?

Paracetamol

4,225 posts

243 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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I recently bought a no history Ferrari 550 at 50pc of its retail price.. I will use the savings to completely overhaul it to my standards. Its actually very sound, and the leakdown shows it to be in great shape. I would rather do this than to buy a 'full dealer history' car at a premium and ending up needing to spend even more on it..no dealer will really prep a car fully whatever they claim and if they do then you just end up paying for all the prep anyway because they generally aim to recoup the cost..

mikey k

13,011 posts

215 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Paracetamol said:
I recently bought a no history Ferrari 550 at 50pc of its retail price.. I will use the savings to completely overhaul it to my standards. Its actually very sound, and the leakdown shows it to be in great shape. I would rather do this than to buy a 'full dealer history' car at a premium and ending up needing to spend even more on it..no dealer will really prep a car fully whatever they claim and if they do then you just end up paying for all the prep anyway because they generally aim to recoup the cost..
100% agree

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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So back to the op then , a full dealer history does not mean the car is perfect any way.
Hell i have had cars serviced where the fkers have not even bothered changing the oil yet alone done any other work.