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J12KJR said:
Not at all, to date you have been vocal in telling people how they are totally wrong on two differing threads, detailing and mechanics.
Please let us all know where your knowledge stems from and your background and then maybe we will be more inclinded to lend some credence to your comments.
I think all of us on here are able to follow a discussion and come to our own informed conclusions based on the information provided and the credibility of those providing it which I don't believe would be the definition of sheep.
Detailing and CCM discs are not black arts, despite what some would have you believe. That said there are many that succumb to the £ side.Please let us all know where your knowledge stems from and your background and then maybe we will be more inclinded to lend some credence to your comments.
I think all of us on here are able to follow a discussion and come to our own informed conclusions based on the information provided and the credibility of those providing it which I don't believe would be the definition of sheep.
Bump the detailing thread, I'll provide the solution to the basic technique everyone missed. Better yet this information may be of use and wont cost you a single penny. That's got to be a bargain!
I think you'll understand the logic to what I'll post and accept the information. Then, if you're open minded enough to consider that I might actually know something, you could ask BamfordMike why he is unaware of process that was used to commission CCM discs. After all, they've been around for quite a few years and he must have changed hundreds.
BamfordMike issued me a challenge to provide details of this procedure before I "could ask an insider". I don't need to but you can be sure that from tomorrow he'll be trying to find something.
The real "sheep" are easy to spot, especially when they raise their little woolly heads and say Baaaamford.
So, for everyone's and anyone's reading pleasure, this is the official AM procedure for bedding in new pads and/or new CCM discs. Required max speed is 60 mph, it would seem.
https://jcsne.clubexpress.com/docs.ashx?id=124877
https://jcsne.clubexpress.com/docs.ashx?id=124877
DB9VolanteDriver said:
So, for everyone's and anyone's reading pleasure, this is the official AM procedure for bedding in new pads and/or new CCM discs. Required max speed is 60 mph, it would seem.
https://jcsne.clubexpress.com/docs.ashx?id=124877
Unfortunately I can't see it as I'm met with a log in page. https://jcsne.clubexpress.com/docs.ashx?id=124877
I suspect behind your link is the information I was not at liberty to post publicly. Mike can bash on all he wants tomorrow but he didn't have this on Sunday, when he challenged me to provide it so, therefore, he's never seen it. Without this manufacturer guidance what's he been doing apart from ragging owner's cars into the ground without any justification while presumably charging for this privilege?
60 mph is within the national speed limit, as I stated, so if your incredibly controversial and provocative assertion was actually true, BamfordMike will be breakfasting on soldiers to mop up all that egg on his face for the next week at least.
Mike, stop making stuff up! You've been well and truly busted!
Byteme said:
Detailing and CCM discs are not black arts, despite what some would have you believe. That said there are many that succumb to the £ side.
Bump the detailing thread, I'll provide the solution to the basic technique everyone missed. Better yet this information may be of use and wont cost you a single penny. That's got to be a bargain!
I think you'll understand the logic to what I'll post and accept the information. Then, if you're open minded enough to consider that I might actually know something, you could ask BamfordMike why he is unaware of process that was used to commission CCM discs. After all, they've been around for quite a few years and he must have changed hundreds.
BamfordMike issued me a challenge to provide details of this procedure before I "could ask an insider". I don't need to but you can be sure that from tomorrow he'll be trying to find something.
The real "sheep" are easy to spot, especially when they raise their little woolly heads and say Baaaamford.
I will gladly bump that thread if you will stick to discussion rather than mud slinging. Various people ask you reasonable questions and to explain your ideas and background but all you come back with is name calling or derogatory remarks.Bump the detailing thread, I'll provide the solution to the basic technique everyone missed. Better yet this information may be of use and wont cost you a single penny. That's got to be a bargain!
I think you'll understand the logic to what I'll post and accept the information. Then, if you're open minded enough to consider that I might actually know something, you could ask BamfordMike why he is unaware of process that was used to commission CCM discs. After all, they've been around for quite a few years and he must have changed hundreds.
BamfordMike issued me a challenge to provide details of this procedure before I "could ask an insider". I don't need to but you can be sure that from tomorrow he'll be trying to find something.
The real "sheep" are easy to spot, especially when they raise their little woolly heads and say Baaaamford.
We are I think on the whole quite happy to have things explained to us by people we can feel respect for, your attitude to date does not help in any way to put you in that category.
So come on join in with the various discussions in a sensible manner and show us sheep
you are worth listening to.Not sure if I can post them but AM have two Bulletins relating to CCM Bedding-in procedures.
SB-06-0353 and SB-06-0366
The first gives the bedding in procedures as outlined by BR (only partly redundant as now only pre-bedded are available) and the second relates to the installation of pre-bedded discs and the correct bedding-in procedure for new pads.
PM me for copies.
SB-06-0353 and SB-06-0366
The first gives the bedding in procedures as outlined by BR (only partly redundant as now only pre-bedded are available) and the second relates to the installation of pre-bedded discs and the correct bedding-in procedure for new pads.
PM me for copies.
So with all the owners on here and some cars around with well over 20k miles , who has changed discs? And if just pads who does bed new pads to disc , dealer? or do you need to do this.
Also how long do/should pads last on a car just driven on the road?
It will be intresting to see what they say about Tonys discs, are they original disc now Tony?
Also how long do/should pads last on a car just driven on the road?
It will be intresting to see what they say about Tonys discs, are they original disc now Tony?
amv12 said:
Not sure if I can post them but AM have two Bulletins relating to CCM Bedding-in procedures.
SB-06-0353 and SB-06-0366
The first gives the bedding in procedures as outlined by BR (only partly redundant as now only pre-bedded are available) and the second relates to the installation of pre-bedded discs and the correct bedding-in procedure for new pads.
PM me for copies.
I you do then it confirms that the process BamfordMike outlines is incorrect and excessive and illegal speed was not required. Yes?SB-06-0353 and SB-06-0366
The first gives the bedding in procedures as outlined by BR (only partly redundant as now only pre-bedded are available) and the second relates to the installation of pre-bedded discs and the correct bedding-in procedure for new pads.
PM me for copies.
cayman-black said:
So with all the owners on here and some cars around with well over 20k miles , who has changed discs? And if just pads who does bed new pads to disc , dealer? or do you need to do this.
Also how long do/should pads last on a car just driven on the road?
It will be intresting to see what they say about Tonys discs, are they original disc now Tony?
At 20k I bet that on most cars the CCM discs, and pads, look much the same as they did when the cars were delivered.Also how long do/should pads last on a car just driven on the road?
It will be intresting to see what they say about Tonys discs, are they original disc now Tony?
outofstepuk said:
Byteme said:
I you do then it confirms that the process BamfordMike outlines is incorrect and excessive and illegal speed was not required. Yes?
You read things in a different way to me. my discs are original...thought i had 2 pad changes up to 50k miles...turns out only one change....and that was to change from standard pads to the new compound anti squeal pads...which i might add are still not very good....thats another story....
car being picked up today...should have report by Tuesday lunchtime....
car being picked up today...should have report by Tuesday lunchtime....
So then not my place to provide a link that the originator of these documents doesn't want to do themselves, respect for other peoples privacy etc.
But quoting from the service bulletin SB-06-0353.
If the transfer layer on CCM discs is not fully formed the disc can be damaged by water from washing the vehicle, rain or standing water. DO NOT WASH THE VEHICLE BEFORE THE TRANSFER LAYER IS MADE.
The document details stopping from 60mph but recommends that where legally permitted the bedding in procedure is done at higher speeds and a higher braking force is used than recommended.
So the water damage one backs up BM and for better results go quicker would also seem to concur with him.
But quoting from the service bulletin SB-06-0353.
If the transfer layer on CCM discs is not fully formed the disc can be damaged by water from washing the vehicle, rain or standing water. DO NOT WASH THE VEHICLE BEFORE THE TRANSFER LAYER IS MADE.
The document details stopping from 60mph but recommends that where legally permitted the bedding in procedure is done at higher speeds and a higher braking force is used than recommended.
So the water damage one backs up BM and for better results go quicker would also seem to concur with him.
J12KJR said:
So then not my place to provide a link that the originator of these documents doesn't want to do themselves, respect for other peoples privacy etc.
But quoting from the service bulletin SB-06-0353.
If the transfer layer on CCM discs is not fully formed the disc can be damaged by water from washing the vehicle, rain or standing water. DO NOT WASH THE VEHICLE BEFORE THE TRANSFER LAYER IS MADE.
The document details stopping from 60mph but recommends that where legally permitted the bedding in procedure is done at higher speeds and a higher braking force is used than recommended.
So the water damage one backs up BM and for better results go quicker would also seem to concur with him.
InterestingBut quoting from the service bulletin SB-06-0353.
If the transfer layer on CCM discs is not fully formed the disc can be damaged by water from washing the vehicle, rain or standing water. DO NOT WASH THE VEHICLE BEFORE THE TRANSFER LAYER IS MADE.
The document details stopping from 60mph but recommends that where legally permitted the bedding in procedure is done at higher speeds and a higher braking force is used than recommended.
So the water damage one backs up BM and for better results go quicker would also seem to concur with him.
Not too surprised, it's unlikely BR Mike is going to get this wrong considering his previous job developing Astons at Gaydon
J12KJR said:
mikey k said:
Interesting
Not too surprised, it's unlikely BR Mike is going to get this wrong considering his previous job developing Astons at Gaydon
They were my thoughts as well but I try to keep an open mind on things hence why I was interested in getting the info.Not too surprised, it's unlikely BR Mike is going to get this wrong considering his previous job developing Astons at Gaydon
Anyone seen Bite 'em's CV yet
its possible that a real CV Vs Wikipedia CV might read this thread and form opinion that any factory bed-in cycle of ccm discs and pads when car first rolled off production line was / is more more harsh than car in service / service bulletin because was performed on closed track / pro driver. Meaning a ccm disc bed in cycle that has been given to garages is scripted around a cycle which must obey road laws. Such a procedure now in practice might be found to not really work / bed the components in adequately. If brembo are bedding in ccm on rig for this factory you can bet they advise it to others and we just might see other factory follow suit selling discs with pre bed in pads, if not already doing so. Also, based on the declared speeds, how does USA market legally bed ccm on highway?
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