Aston Martin GT3
Discussion
jonby said:
L0TT0 said:
Cockernee said:
Lottowhodriveslikeagirl said:
if I thought it was all about speed for my money then I would be driving a Nissan GT-R and not an Aston Martin ........Iv'e owned very fast cars since I was 25 and I rarely drive at more than 100MPH (when I'm in Germany) which is probably why Ive had a clean licence for the past 20 years
You rarely drive faster than 100MPH on a race track either 
Anyway Cockers since when have I had a clean driving license
Edited by L0TT0 on Wednesday 3rd December 19:57
kin northern monkies....
jonby said:
How stupid considering the GTE race car is a V8 !
Just to clarify for those that don't know, Aston Racing make 3 race cars
'entry level' - GT4 (based on the V8 road car) which is a multi marque class although Aston Racing run Aston-only races and the car can also be bought as a non road legal track day car
'mid level' - GT3 (based on the V12 road car), with far more in the way of aero & weight saving measures than the GT4 and used in multi marque GT3 races
'top level' - GTE (based on the V8 road car), run in the Le Mans series, hence using the V8 as the restrictions wouldn't allow a V12 of that capacity
I can see merit in calling this road car GT3 or GT4 with arguments either way for both but not GTE
The original information was given to me by James Parrett from Harwoods on Monday who currently is stocking my old car. He offered me the chance of this exciting new V12Vantage. I received a call from Rachel at H.R.Owen today who also offered me the chance of placing a deposit on said new model. It was she who confirmed the build number and the designation GTE. I agree AM would be a little misguided in calling it a GTE, though it is still early days.Just to clarify for those that don't know, Aston Racing make 3 race cars
'entry level' - GT4 (based on the V8 road car) which is a multi marque class although Aston Racing run Aston-only races and the car can also be bought as a non road legal track day car
'mid level' - GT3 (based on the V12 road car), with far more in the way of aero & weight saving measures than the GT4 and used in multi marque GT3 races
'top level' - GTE (based on the V8 road car), run in the Le Mans series, hence using the V8 as the restrictions wouldn't allow a V12 of that capacity
I can see merit in calling this road car GT3 or GT4 with arguments either way for both but not GTE
robgt3 said:
The original information was given to me by James Parrett from Harwoods on Monday who currently is stocking my old car. He offered me the chance of this exciting new V12Vantage. I received a call from Rachel at H.R.Owen today who also offered me the chance of placing a deposit on said new model. It was she who confirmed the build number and the designation GTE. I agree AM would be a little misguided in calling it a GTE, though it is still early days.
I also had a call from Rachel, and when I said GTE, she said it was GT3...jonby said:
I believe they don't offer upgrades
But if one were to come with say a £100k budget, rather than a 5-15k budget, my guess is they would talk, effectively looking at it as a race car project, fitting race car parts, but to a road car. If not, you'd have to do it via someone else but still using race car bits e.g. rear spoiler
arrhh, ok, i see, you were just talking hypothetically, this makes sense to me now because apart from styling, a significant power upgrade is practically impossible. Maybe not so for Cosworth given their involvement in one-77 (so proven track record in significant road car program). I say this because the V12VS is an engine and engine management system Prodrive has no access to / or has worked on in the past. Meaning if they were to modify even slightly and unable to re jig existing engine management system, then bang goes DSC, ABS, traction, alarm system, dashboard display and probably centre stack. And given dying factory Prodrive relations meaning unlikely gifting of necessary electronic architecture from factory, with Prodrive either its no project or lose all electronic creature comforts from the application of third party race engine controller systems, which i doubt will be acceptable to any owner. Its just interesting you mentioned Prodrive rustling up anything, because the tie up looks dying to me unless something new forms part of new owners plans, but now the dynamic duo that was Bez and Richards reign is over, i struggle to see Prodive delivering anything with factory. But of course, i could be wrong, just how it appears to me.But if one were to come with say a £100k budget, rather than a 5-15k budget, my guess is they would talk, effectively looking at it as a race car project, fitting race car parts, but to a road car. If not, you'd have to do it via someone else but still using race car bits e.g. rear spoiler
Gettoff said:
I think if they go down that particular naming route, it has to be GT3, given that the other two options had a V8.
Rob
You've bought the wrong GT3 
Hi Geoff, nice to hear from you. Afraid I would have to disagree with you on that one. Given that a 991 GT3 is only just pipped by a 458 Speciale which costs twice as much, leaves me quite happy thanks Rob
You've bought the wrong GT3 ajr550 said:
Power is up 15 bhp and weight down 165kg.
Hmmm....I spent some time and effort looking into taking a standard 510bhp V12V and turning it into a lighweight edition.
You can lose a chunk of weight at a reasonable weight:cost ratio by throwing more expensive parts (magnesium alloy torque tube, lithium ion battery, steel or ideally titanium exhaust) at the car and removing weight from the doors and sound deadening but you screw up the NVH.
165kg is a big ask. I bet that weight is only possible if they remove air conditioning and the stereo. And then "cheat" by using a baseline for weight loss from a full fat V12 with all of the heavy options such as B&O stereo and non-carbon fibre seats. And who wants to buy a V12 without air conditioning? The heat soak from the hot V12 is terrible and so no air conditioning would only work if you live in the far North. Say, Finland...
JohnG1 said:
ajr550 said:
Power is up 15 bhp and weight down 165kg.
Hmmm....I spent some time and effort looking into taking a standard 510bhp V12V and turning it into a lighweight edition.
You can lose a chunk of weight at a reasonable weight:cost ratio by throwing more expensive parts (magnesium alloy torque tube, lithium ion battery, steel or ideally titanium exhaust) at the car and removing weight from the doors and sound deadening but you screw up the NVH.
165kg is a big ask. I bet that weight is only possible if they remove air conditioning and the stereo. And then "cheat" by using a baseline for weight loss from a full fat V12 with all of the heavy options such as B&O stereo and non-carbon fibre seats. And who wants to buy a V12 without air conditioning? The heat soak from the hot V12 is terrible and so no air conditioning would only work if you live in the far North. Say, Finland...
I am told 1500kg for new GT3 road version vs 1665kg for current V12S.I assume these are both dry weights.Vantage GT3 race car is 1250kg dry weight so sounds like a real challenge but may be possible.
Ferrari stripped less than 100kg from 458 Italia when creating Speciale even with thinner glass !
Ferrari stripped less than 100kg from 458 Italia when creating Speciale even with thinner glass !
JohnG1 said:
Hmmm....
I spent some time and effort looking into taking a standard 510bhp V12V and turning it into a lighweight edition.
You can lose a chunk of weight at a reasonable weight:cost ratio by throwing more expensive parts (magnesium alloy torque tube, lithium ion battery, steel or ideally titanium exhaust) at the car and removing weight from the doors and sound deadening but you screw up the NVH.
165kg is a big ask. I bet that weight is only possible if they remove air conditioning and the stereo. And then "cheat" by using a baseline for weight loss from a full fat V12 with all of the heavy options such as B&O stereo and non-carbon fibre seats. And who wants to buy a V12 without air conditioning? The heat soak from the hot V12 is terrible and so no air conditioning would only work if you live in the far North. Say, Finland...
I spent some time and effort looking into taking a standard 510bhp V12V and turning it into a lighweight edition.
You can lose a chunk of weight at a reasonable weight:cost ratio by throwing more expensive parts (magnesium alloy torque tube, lithium ion battery, steel or ideally titanium exhaust) at the car and removing weight from the doors and sound deadening but you screw up the NVH.
165kg is a big ask. I bet that weight is only possible if they remove air conditioning and the stereo. And then "cheat" by using a baseline for weight loss from a full fat V12 with all of the heavy options such as B&O stereo and non-carbon fibre seats. And who wants to buy a V12 without air conditioning? The heat soak from the hot V12 is terrible and so no air conditioning would only work if you live in the far North. Say, Finland...
NVH is the big hit on most weight loss
Aircon is used in cold climate to remove moist & demist
AM don't have the "inclination" that ferrari have for light weight glass etc
Lets not forget this still has to work as a road car and come across as a premium product
mikey k said:
NVH is the big hit on most weight loss
Aircon is used in cold climate to remove moist & demist
AM don't have the "inclination" that ferrari have for light weight glass etc
Lets not forget this still has to work as a road car and come across as a premium product
The B&O sound system is reputed to weigh 50Kgms. I appreciate it is not a standard fit. All Aston need to do is offer a somewhat stripped out car , promote it's low weight then flog the customer all the bits back as options! No one is more adept than this than the men from Stuttgart. Nearly all the options I specced on my car would have been standard fit on an Aston. I'm not complaining as weight is always going to be the enemy of any performance car. Aston Martin's are as Mikey said about luxury as well as performance. I don't imagine that when this new model is sold that there will be many heading out onto race tracks. Plus I don't believe many will be sold without air con, electric seats, sound and sat nav. Those 3 items alone must equate to about 100Kgms. I wish the factory the very best with this new model and would be very confident that they will sell out very quickly.
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