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On a vaguely related note, now that AM are cosy with Merc, will there be a Cygnet based on the Smart/Twingo platform? They still need to get their fleet average down. Or will it be A-Class based, opening up A45 AMG options, for more fitting performance? Though that'd blur the lines more.
As for whether to buy one, it's a very expensive Toyota with the powertrain of a Toyota and I assume the suspension is largely unchanged, the outside looks a bit silly to me, but you do get a nicer interior, but whether it's worth the premium over a Toyota and really better than a decent spec 3 series or whatever else you get for a similar price, is up to you. Some jealous people might judge you for it but f
k 'em 
As for whether to buy one, it's a very expensive Toyota with the powertrain of a Toyota and I assume the suspension is largely unchanged, the outside looks a bit silly to me, but you do get a nicer interior, but whether it's worth the premium over a Toyota and really better than a decent spec 3 series or whatever else you get for a similar price, is up to you. Some jealous people might judge you for it but f
k 'em scarble said:
On a vaguely related note, now that AM are cosy with Merc, will there be a Cygnet based on the Smart/Twingo platform? They still need to get their fleet average down. Or will it be A-Class based, opening up A45 AMG options, for more fitting performance? Though that'd blur the lines more.
As for whether to buy one, it's a very expensive Toyota with the powertrain of a Toyota and I assume the suspension is largely unchanged, the outside looks a bit silly to me, but you do get a nicer interior, but whether it's worth the premium over a Toyota and really better than a decent spec 3 series or whatever else you get for a similar price, is up to you. Some jealous people might judge you for it but fk 'em
totally agree with the above and my car is a good example 1300cc IQ, one previous owner 62plate with 11k miles £6100......the Cygnet would be 18-20k .....however I would say that the Cygnet seems to holding its price better !As for whether to buy one, it's a very expensive Toyota with the powertrain of a Toyota and I assume the suspension is largely unchanged, the outside looks a bit silly to me, but you do get a nicer interior, but whether it's worth the premium over a Toyota and really better than a decent spec 3 series or whatever else you get for a similar price, is up to you. Some jealous people might judge you for it but f
k 'em Interesting, not sure what the depreciation in the first few years, you'd expect it would have been steeper, but I suppose now the limited numbers and slightly specialness maybe pay off? It's still a relatively fresh car, not sure they'll be worth much more than the equivalent Toyota when they're 10-15 years old?
I can't imagine it ever appreciating
I can't imagine it ever appreciating
scarble said:
Interesting, not sure what the depreciation in the first few years, you'd expect it would have been steeper, but I suppose now the limited numbers and slightly specialness maybe pay off? It's still a relatively fresh car, not sure they'll be worth much more than the equivalent Toyota when they're 10-15 years old?
I can't imagine it ever appreciating
its a bloody big premium to pay for a badge and some leather 300% !I can't imagine it ever appreciating
michael gould said:
....however I would say that the Cygnet seems to holding its price better !
Completely unscientific, but the three that are being advertised;
2013 = £24,500
2012 = £19,999
2011 = £14,995
The youngest car has the highest mileage.
That cash drop in two years, is greater than my Vantage.
Jon39 said:
Completely unscientific, but the three that are being advertised;
2013 = £24,500
2012 = £19,999
2011 = £14,995
The youngest car has the highest mileage.
That cash drop in two years, is greater than my Vantage.
To be honest at under £15k I'd be tempted to get one. Bit of fun and can't see much of a downside from there.
Cygnet, has to be a future classic?
Great car, overpriced as a new product, concept incorrectly promoted initially (someone no longer there)The Ideal situation being, Vanquish for the weekends out of the city, Cygnet for the Traffic Jams and Crawling along in the City whilst sat in luxury and comfort. The best I heard as a reference, the Tender to the Yacht...
As for the interior, for information the interior requires as many leather hides as a Vantage to create.
So as a 2nd Hand Buy? has to be a consideration?
Great car, overpriced as a new product, concept incorrectly promoted initially (someone no longer there)The Ideal situation being, Vanquish for the weekends out of the city, Cygnet for the Traffic Jams and Crawling along in the City whilst sat in luxury and comfort. The best I heard as a reference, the Tender to the Yacht...
As for the interior, for information the interior requires as many leather hides as a Vantage to create.
So as a 2nd Hand Buy? has to be a consideration?
Jon39 said:
michael gould said:
....however I would say that the Cygnet seems to holding its price better !
Completely unscientific, but the three that are being advertised;
2013 = £24,500
2012 = £19,999
2011 = £14,995
The youngest car has the highest mileage.
That cash drop in two years, is greater than my Vantage.
Whilst visiting Works i was in the back bit. Walked past a Cygnet.....comment from a employee "mmm, less said the better about them"!
I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
petop said:
Whilst visiting Works i was in the back bit. Walked past a Cygnet.....comment from a employee "mmm, less said the better about them"!
I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
what development costs ?? templates for the leather seats ?.......the Cygnet is a Toyota IQ in tarts clothing ......nothing moreI understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
petop said:
Whilst visiting Works i was in the back bit. Walked past a Cygnet.....comment from a employee "mmm, less said the better about them"!
I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
IIRC £7.5M impairment charge on last years accounts to finish it off.I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
Cheaper to burn it with fire!
Neil1300r said:
petop said:
Whilst visiting Works i was in the back bit. Walked past a Cygnet.....comment from a employee "mmm, less said the better about them"!
I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
IIRC £7.5M impairment charge on last years accounts to finish it off.I understand the small city car concept but it should of been left to the usual suspects (Toyota, Nissan etc). Was there a need for AM to jump on the band wagon? Probably not and i think it was more to do with letting those rich wifeys having a smaller version of rich hubbys. Im dont know of the costs but using the Toyota base car kept the development down and ticked the box for Dr Bez's Bucket List.
Cheaper to burn it with fire!
but in motoring terms .....not much more my IQ is a good car but to pay a 300% premium to have a Cygnet is a joke You can put lipstick on a pig...
Cygnet is the best-ever example of everything that is bad about badge engineering. To take a cheap Japanese city car (how good a car it is -- and it's a good city car -- is irrelevant), stick the Aston Martin grille and badge on it and call it an Aston Martin is an affront to a great marque, and its iconic grille and badge. Everything about it is appalling. Bez even had the stones to call it "as authentic" an Aston Martin as a DB5. Shameful.
Cygnet is the best-ever example of everything that is bad about badge engineering. To take a cheap Japanese city car (how good a car it is -- and it's a good city car -- is irrelevant), stick the Aston Martin grille and badge on it and call it an Aston Martin is an affront to a great marque, and its iconic grille and badge. Everything about it is appalling. Bez even had the stones to call it "as authentic" an Aston Martin as a DB5. Shameful.
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