V12 GT3 update
Discussion
V8LM said:
roughrider said:
I would confidently say, that Aston Martins road cars, are probably more closely related to its race cars, than any other manufacturer.
Pretty sad indictment of the race cars if you ask me.I think it's a good-looking car, and proof Aston is moving with the times - clearly, this sort of car is very much in vogue.
If you pop over to the Porsche forum, they're moaning about GT3s reaching £175k on the open market... one of 100 cars from Aston at £250k seems decent value.
As for the ethos, I think a lot of "regular" car bods - with the money to buy something like this - like the thought of a stripped out special, but still want something easy enough to live with. Which, itself, rules out harnesses or an interior entirely devoid of comforts.
If you pop over to the Porsche forum, they're moaning about GT3s reaching £175k on the open market... one of 100 cars from Aston at £250k seems decent value.
As for the ethos, I think a lot of "regular" car bods - with the money to buy something like this - like the thought of a stripped out special, but still want something easy enough to live with. Which, itself, rules out harnesses or an interior entirely devoid of comforts.
delays said:
If you pop over to the Porsche forum, they're moaning about GT3s reaching £175k on the open market...
However back in the real world http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
AMDBSNick said:
Wow look at the engine in that !!!
Mental. Love it.
What strikes me is that they don't market quite to the same extent as Porsche. They don't generate the same publicity, the same coverage and infinite magazine tests, they don't (or can't) create the buzz that Porsche manages to. It's a shame. That is one of Porsche's best features, the ability for the company to act like any large multinational and sell, market, and so on. I guess that's what size does for you.
What strikes me is that they don't market quite to the same extent as Porsche. They don't generate the same publicity, the same coverage and infinite magazine tests, they don't (or can't) create the buzz that Porsche manages to. It's a shame. That is one of Porsche's best features, the ability for the company to act like any large multinational and sell, market, and so on. I guess that's what size does for you.
Pentoman said:
Mental. Love it.
What strikes me is that they don't market quite to the same extent as Porsche. They don't generate the same publicity, the same coverage and infinite magazine tests, they don't (or can't) create the buzz that Porsche manages to. It's a shame. That is one of Porsche's best features, the ability for the company to act like any large multinational and sell, market, and so on. I guess that's what size does for you.
When you compare race-car GT3 to the road-car GT3 and seeWhat strikes me is that they don't market quite to the same extent as Porsche. They don't generate the same publicity, the same coverage and infinite magazine tests, they don't (or can't) create the buzz that Porsche manages to. It's a shame. That is one of Porsche's best features, the ability for the company to act like any large multinational and sell, market, and so on. I guess that's what size does for you.
different wheelbase (race car is longer)
different engine (race car is dry sumped and has Cosworth ECU, road car is wet sumped and Bosch)
different gearbox (road car is ASM III, race-car is Xtrac sequential)
different body panels
It's not really viable to describe the V12 GT3 as a road going version of the race-car.
That, combined with a bloody awful marketing department in Gaydon is why AML fails time after time on the race/road crossover market.
The V12 RS - the original concept is still a better car than the production GT3 which is what - 5 years later?
Why?
That man Bez
spent a bloody fortune on Cygnet
allowed most of the development engineers to leave
wasted how much on Virage when it was clearly just db9 with a facelift
spent how much on vanity racing for himself
did not do a deal with Toyota when he spent ages trying
I just hope Andy Palmer can recognise that he has so much goodwill from the public. I want Aston Martin to succeed. I have bought two and may buy a third and fourth. But they need to do the hard yards of actually managing the company such as:
Driving up quality in the paint shop. The bubbling nonsense has been going on for years
Sell as many cars as possible to the Chinese. They want long versions of cars (BMW even sell a long wheelbase 3 series) so why is the leg room in a Rapide so crappy????
I would recommend to Andy that he conducts a listening exercise - try and understand what existing customers want and then go figure our what prospective customers want and get the cars built and shipped...
JohnG1 said:
Pentoman said:
Mental. Love it.
What strikes me is that they don't market quite to the same extent as Porsche. They don't generate the same publicity, the same coverage and infinite magazine tests, they don't (or can't) create the buzz that Porsche manages to. It's a shame. That is one of Porsche's best features, the ability for the company to act like any large multinational and sell, market, and so on. I guess that's what size does for you.
When you compare race-car GT3 to the road-car GT3 and seeWhat strikes me is that they don't market quite to the same extent as Porsche. They don't generate the same publicity, the same coverage and infinite magazine tests, they don't (or can't) create the buzz that Porsche manages to. It's a shame. That is one of Porsche's best features, the ability for the company to act like any large multinational and sell, market, and so on. I guess that's what size does for you.
different wheelbase (race car is longer)
different engine (race car is dry sumped and has Cosworth ECU, road car is wet sumped and Bosch)
different gearbox (road car is ASM III, race-car is Xtrac sequential)
different body panels
It's not really viable to describe the V12 GT3 as a road going version of the race-car.
That, combined with a bloody awful marketing department in Gaydon is why AML fails time after time on the race/road crossover market.
The V12 RS - the original concept is still a better car than the production GT3 which is what - 5 years later?
Why?
That man Bez
spent a bloody fortune on Cygnet
allowed most of the development engineers to leave
wasted how much on Virage when it was clearly just db9 with a facelift
spent how much on vanity racing for himself
did not do a deal with Toyota when he spent ages trying
I just hope Andy Palmer can recognise that he has so much goodwill from the public. I want Aston Martin to succeed. I have bought two and may buy a third and fourth. But they need to do the hard yards of actually managing the company such as:
Driving up quality in the paint shop. The bubbling nonsense has been going on for years
Sell as many cars as possible to the Chinese. They want long versions of cars (BMW even sell a long wheelbase 3 series) so why is the leg room in a Rapide so crappy????
I would recommend to Andy that he conducts a listening exercise - try and understand what existing customers want and then go figure our what prospective customers want and get the cars built and shipped...
jonby said:
There is plenty in there to agree with but for once I will be succinct - the biggest positive impact on sales would be to stop oversupplying cars. Even with the identical product to that which is being sold today, a restriction on supply would massively boost profitability in the medium term - fear of depreciation is the biggest killer of Aston sales in the UK
Amen!!AMDBSNick said:
Complete with the 'must have' add-ons too
jonby said:
Instead of typing like a broken record, I'll post a pic instead
Nice!! Its a serious car, to be driven cautiously at/over speed humps! I wouldn't want to arrive at Spa and have to start bolting aero bits on, so the splitter is necessary. Time will tell...... So long as you book yourself into the freight/coach carriage of the Eurotunnel, [please see other threads on the subject], there won't be an issue.Edited by roughrider on Friday 20th February 11:08
Edited by roughrider on Friday 20th February 11:24
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