Not one, not two but three new Astons at Geneva.......
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AMDBSNick said:
A real photograph makes it look much better IMHO
I have to say I quite like it. The Aston FB page is giving it a proper hammering though, although I accept that nobody appears to have read the release on it, or indeed have any comprehension as to what the DBX is supposed to be. There was one light of sense amongst the detritus though, pointing out that the Porsche Cayenne sells by the bucketful and is roundly hideous!That said, I'm not too sure the "velvet-like" interior is one I'd go for, not this side of a zoot suit and Huggy bear hat!
I doubt the DBX would have an electric powertrain If it goes into production, its just a convenient way of powering a concept showcar for dynamic photograpy and generally moving it around .
Lotus are also planning on building a high ground clearance version of the Evora, this type of sportscar is ideal for emerging markets in the world where the roads would rip the undersides out of a regular ride height Aston Martin/Lotus (China/India etc).
Ital Design had a showcar called the Parcour which started this trend, I think Lamborghini are doing one as well.
Lotus are also planning on building a high ground clearance version of the Evora, this type of sportscar is ideal for emerging markets in the world where the roads would rip the undersides out of a regular ride height Aston Martin/Lotus (China/India etc).
Ital Design had a showcar called the Parcour which started this trend, I think Lamborghini are doing one as well.
Please god don't let them build that.....it's hideous.
Look at "most" other AML's both past and present, they've all had a level of beauty to them.......this looks like Hyundai could be building it....there's not a single angle where it looks anything other than fugly.
Dare I say it, but it's tat like that which harms a brand, not enhances it.
Look at "most" other AML's both past and present, they've all had a level of beauty to them.......this looks like Hyundai could be building it....there's not a single angle where it looks anything other than fugly.
Dare I say it, but it's tat like that which harms a brand, not enhances it.
Dear Mr Palmer,
Rather than dream about electric cars, why not give Elon Musk a call and sell him the DBX concept, and all its plans, for a about a billion quid. He won't even notice it. Then pay off all your debts and invest 500 million in building world class GTs and sports cars, because despite what some people say, Aston Martin are actually very, very good at that.
You could even shove a hybrid engine in one if you feel like it in due course.
You could build some more GT4s and Vulcans, they look good. And if Elon gets bored with the the DBX he could always send it up in one of his rockets.
Oh and finally, are those 26" wheels FFS?
Kind regards.
Rather than dream about electric cars, why not give Elon Musk a call and sell him the DBX concept, and all its plans, for a about a billion quid. He won't even notice it. Then pay off all your debts and invest 500 million in building world class GTs and sports cars, because despite what some people say, Aston Martin are actually very, very good at that.
You could even shove a hybrid engine in one if you feel like it in due course.
You could build some more GT4s and Vulcans, they look good. And if Elon gets bored with the the DBX he could always send it up in one of his rockets.
Oh and finally, are those 26" wheels FFS?
Kind regards.
Is the DBX the ne apparently intended to attract lady drivers?
And they paint the car a mucky dark Colour? That's sure to work, yes, it will.
As a concept this will never work. There is no pink anywhere on the car, the interior mirror is far too small for those awkward makeup moments at traffic lights, I couldn't see a separate storage space for the La Boutain shoes or Hermes handbag, nor a hook for the inevitsble furry toy hanging off the internal mirror.
What were the designers thinking of!
Avinalarf, as the nearest thing to ladies hanging around this forum, have your lady boys seen it yet for their verdict.?
And they paint the car a mucky dark Colour? That's sure to work, yes, it will.
As a concept this will never work. There is no pink anywhere on the car, the interior mirror is far too small for those awkward makeup moments at traffic lights, I couldn't see a separate storage space for the La Boutain shoes or Hermes handbag, nor a hook for the inevitsble furry toy hanging off the internal mirror.
What were the designers thinking of!
Avinalarf, as the nearest thing to ladies hanging around this forum, have your lady boys seen it yet for their verdict.?
steveatesh said:
Is the DBX the ne apparently intended to attract lady drivers?
Well, it should be easier to get in and out of one of these than a low slung sports car if you're wearing a skirt, sari or kimono...Family friendly (assuming the 2 seats in the back have some space, unlike the Rapide)..
Environmentally friendly (assuming you think electric is good for the environment)...
And it'll handle the speed humps of Islington... or probably more of interest to potential customers, some of the dodgier road surfaces in India, China, Russia etc.
I think that's the sort of thing they're trying to achieve.
Whilst being held up by the school-run traffic jam this afternoon, in one of the south-east so called 'select' commuter towns, I noticed many large SUVs being driven by small women. Maybe they just looked small, because their vehicles are so big.
This is the market that Dr. Palmer is after, to bring earned cash into AML.
I would like the Lagonda name to go on an SUV, keeping AM for the sports and GT cars, but perhaps the female target market has never heard of Lagonda.
Was pleased to hear Dr. Palmer announce an annual total production limit of 7,000 vehicles.
Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 3rd March 19:29
Upon further consideration, I think the DBX is just the new bloke showing off. "Look, we have these two super cool new mentalist racing cars for the super wealthy, but we've also designed this one for the ladies." If it's just a concept though, he should have skipped the whole electric thing, and said it runs on air.
I am going to Geneva as usual next week and am hugely looking forward to it, including the Aston stand, but there is an interesting observation
Once you get past the excitement of all the new cars and analyse what's on the stand a little more objectively, you have
1) A completely sold out run of 100 GT3 cars
2) A track car out of reach to 99.9something % of the population at the best part of £2mil
3) A saloon (Taraf) that is limited to 200 units and will cost most buyers £500k+
4) The DBX concept car that won't ever be made
5) Possibly a DB10 at Geneva, which will never be sold
So in fact, for those with up to say £250k to spend on a sports car/GT/saloon/any car, AML have absolutely nothing new to offer - the choice is buying near to the end of their life Vantages & DB9s or Vanquish which is newer but probably not going to be made in the same format for many more years before the new stuff starts taking over
It's an amazing amount of publicity considering how little of it is available for you & I to actually buy
However to be fair, it's not unique to Aston
Porsche are showing 2 new cars: Cayman GT4 & 991 GT3 RS. Both are relatively affordable or even good value, both are likely to be reviewed incredibly well when the journos get their hands on them in a few weeks time and both were sold out before Geneva even opened it's doors
Porsche, like Aston, will generate a lot of publicity from these two cars but the only people ever likely to drive them are 918 owners (who had first dibs on both cars), very early depositors/repeat customers who have had their name down on GT4 for a long long time (they are making more GT4s than GT3RSs), or car journos
Meaning that if you or I actually want to buy a Porsche 2 door car, you have to buy one of the vanilla cars that's about to be replaced with the gen 2 variants (boxter, cayman & 911)
Once you get past the excitement of all the new cars and analyse what's on the stand a little more objectively, you have
1) A completely sold out run of 100 GT3 cars
2) A track car out of reach to 99.9something % of the population at the best part of £2mil
3) A saloon (Taraf) that is limited to 200 units and will cost most buyers £500k+
4) The DBX concept car that won't ever be made
5) Possibly a DB10 at Geneva, which will never be sold
So in fact, for those with up to say £250k to spend on a sports car/GT/saloon/any car, AML have absolutely nothing new to offer - the choice is buying near to the end of their life Vantages & DB9s or Vanquish which is newer but probably not going to be made in the same format for many more years before the new stuff starts taking over
It's an amazing amount of publicity considering how little of it is available for you & I to actually buy
However to be fair, it's not unique to Aston
Porsche are showing 2 new cars: Cayman GT4 & 991 GT3 RS. Both are relatively affordable or even good value, both are likely to be reviewed incredibly well when the journos get their hands on them in a few weeks time and both were sold out before Geneva even opened it's doors
Porsche, like Aston, will generate a lot of publicity from these two cars but the only people ever likely to drive them are 918 owners (who had first dibs on both cars), very early depositors/repeat customers who have had their name down on GT4 for a long long time (they are making more GT4s than GT3RSs), or car journos
Meaning that if you or I actually want to buy a Porsche 2 door car, you have to buy one of the vanilla cars that's about to be replaced with the gen 2 variants (boxter, cayman & 911)
jonby said:
I am going to Geneva as usual next week and am hugely looking forward to it, including the Aston stand, but there is an interesting observation
Once you get past the excitement of all the new cars and analyse what's on the stand a little more objectively, you have
1) A completely sold out run of 100 GT3 cars
2) A track car out of reach to 99.9something % of the population at the best part of £2mil
3) A saloon (Taraf) that is limited to 200 units and will cost most buyers £500k+
4) The DBX concept car that won't ever be made
5) Possibly a DB10 at Geneva, which will never be sold
So in fact, for those with up to say £250k to spend on a sports car/GT/saloon/any car, AML have absolutely nothing new to offer - the choice is buying near to the end of their life Vantages & DB9s or Vanquish which is newer but probably not going to be made in the same format for many more years before the new stuff starts taking over
It's an amazing amount of publicity considering how little of it is available for you & I to actually buy
However to be fair, it's not unique to Aston
Porsche are showing 2 new cars: Cayman GT4 & 991 GT3 RS. Both are relatively affordable or even good value, both are likely to be reviewed incredibly well when the journos get their hands on them in a few weeks time and both were sold out before Geneva even opened it's doors
Porsche, like Aston, will generate a lot of publicity from these two cars but the only people ever likely to drive them are 918 owners (who had first dibs on both cars), very early depositors/repeat customers who have had their name down on GT4 for a long long time (they are making more GT4s than GT3RSs), or car journos
Meaning that if you or I actually want to buy a Porsche 2 door car, you have to buy one of the vanilla cars that's about to be replaced with the gen 2 variants (boxter, cayman & 911)
I'd bin it Jonby and go to Cheltenham, I know where I will be Once you get past the excitement of all the new cars and analyse what's on the stand a little more objectively, you have
1) A completely sold out run of 100 GT3 cars
2) A track car out of reach to 99.9something % of the population at the best part of £2mil
3) A saloon (Taraf) that is limited to 200 units and will cost most buyers £500k+
4) The DBX concept car that won't ever be made
5) Possibly a DB10 at Geneva, which will never be sold
So in fact, for those with up to say £250k to spend on a sports car/GT/saloon/any car, AML have absolutely nothing new to offer - the choice is buying near to the end of their life Vantages & DB9s or Vanquish which is newer but probably not going to be made in the same format for many more years before the new stuff starts taking over
It's an amazing amount of publicity considering how little of it is available for you & I to actually buy
However to be fair, it's not unique to Aston
Porsche are showing 2 new cars: Cayman GT4 & 991 GT3 RS. Both are relatively affordable or even good value, both are likely to be reviewed incredibly well when the journos get their hands on them in a few weeks time and both were sold out before Geneva even opened it's doors
Porsche, like Aston, will generate a lot of publicity from these two cars but the only people ever likely to drive them are 918 owners (who had first dibs on both cars), very early depositors/repeat customers who have had their name down on GT4 for a long long time (they are making more GT4s than GT3RSs), or car journos
Meaning that if you or I actually want to buy a Porsche 2 door car, you have to buy one of the vanilla cars that's about to be replaced with the gen 2 variants (boxter, cayman & 911)
AMDBSNick said:
I'd bin it Jonby and go to Cheltenham, I know where I will be
Ha ! sounds like fun To be fair, I'm not going to Geneva to buy - there is a lot of great stuff this year to look at, including more budget stuff
But it is an interesting situation - McLaren's 675 LT is sold out and I understand NSX has a 3 yr waiting list even though there is no price yet. The Ford GT will presumably be almost impossible to buy
More than ever, there seem to be a significant number of cars launching to the public for the first time at a motor show, in many instances launching for the first time to journos too, which nobody can actually buy
steveatesh said:
Is the DBX the ne apparently intended to attract lady drivers?
Avinalarf, as the nearest thing to ladies hanging around this forum, have your lady boys seen it yet for their verdict.?
I am a bit fed up with all these concept cars etc. and becoming a bit disallusioned with the whole thing.Avinalarf, as the nearest thing to ladies hanging around this forum, have your lady boys seen it yet for their verdict.?
I just hope AM will bring out a good looking sports car and a GT in the near future that we actually are able or want to buy.
As usual Jonby makes some very good points.
Edited by avinalarf on Wednesday 4th March 11:49
Great points jonby. I guess it is all supposed to be clever marketing and halo effect cars which helps to sell the bread and butter. A lot of it leaves a bad taste though, more so with other marques perhaps where the speculators move in and many of these care will never be driven. Still, you assume they know what they are doing. Again with Aston it is difficult to know what else they can do in their situation whereas others may be able to the manipulate the market a bit more without cash flow pressures.
avinalarf said:
I am a bit fed up with all these concept cars etc. and becoming a bit disallusioned with the whole thing.
I just hope AM will bring out a good looking sports car and a GT in the near future that we actually are able or want to buy.
As usual Jonby makes some very good points.
Well, we know the new models aren't ready to be shown yet so their options are to have the same cars they've been showing for the last 10 years that nobody will pay any attention to or show some concepts that will grab a few headlines.I just hope AM will bring out a good looking sports car and a GT in the near future that we actually are able or want to buy.
As usual Jonby makes some very good points.
Edited by avinalarf on Wednesday 4th March 11:49
And I'm sure Andy Palmer is getting some "interesting" feedback on the DB10 and DBX that can be used to influence the designs of the next generation of cars. Even if that influence is "bin it all and start again", it's better to do that now than when launching the next production models and finding everyone hates them.
speech said:
avinalarf said:
I am a bit fed up with all these concept cars etc. and becoming a bit disallusioned with the whole thing.
I just hope AM will bring out a good looking sports car and a GT in the near future that we actually are able or want to buy.
As usual Jonby makes some very good points.
Well, we know the new models aren't ready to be shown yet so their options are to have the same cars they've been showing for the last 10 years that nobody will pay any attention to or show some concepts that will grab a few headlines.I just hope AM will bring out a good looking sports car and a GT in the near future that we actually are able or want to buy.
As usual Jonby makes some very good points.
Edited by avinalarf on Wednesday 4th March 11:49
And I'm sure Andy Palmer is getting some "interesting" feedback on the DB10 and DBX that can be used to influence the designs of the next generation of cars. Even if that influence is "bin it all and start again", it's better to do that now than when launching the next production models and finding everyone hates them.
The fact still remains that on the surface (eg in the press, at Geneva, etc) it looks like there is loads of new exciting stuff going on at the factory but for anyone walking into the showrooms, it's still same old same old.
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