Numberplates & online security
Discussion
Was showing a mate my vid of the C Quartz treatment on the old bus which is on YouTube. He raised an eyebrow about me showing the numberplate to all and sundry, suggesting that any dodgy character who wanted to source such a car could then get my address from DVLA. Its not that hard as they are always up for a few quid it seems and quite loose with personal data (we know this from lots of tales of convicted crooks running cowboy clamping businesses after all).
Wonder what others think as I do tend to blank out the numberplate on stills, but notice that few others feel the need. Be interested in others' thoughts.
Wonder what others think as I do tend to blank out the numberplate on stills, but notice that few others feel the need. Be interested in others' thoughts.
I am wary of this and do not post pictures including licence plates, but realise that anyone can photograph my cars in a public place, then post on the internet.
Some time ago, I received a communication from the DVLA which stated that one of my 'log books' would soon be issued to a third party. The vehicle concerned had not been visible to any outsiders for years, so presumably someone using the internet, or an insider had instigated the action. The motive must have been theft of a cherished registration mark. Three months later, exactly the same thing happened again. DVLA then involved the police.
Edit: spelling.
Edited by Jon39 on Monday 25th May 20:33
W1111AM said:
This is a good conversation...
Do we have anyone in the motor trade that can verify what Traders have access too at DVLA? It is fairly easy to have trader status and therefore if you were of ill-repute you could easily access addresses...
Or if you worked in the IT department you could just dump the entire database to a series of USB drives and walk it out of the building...Do we have anyone in the motor trade that can verify what Traders have access too at DVLA? It is fairly easy to have trader status and therefore if you were of ill-repute you could easily access addresses...
Government IT is often somewhat lacking in security.
its how they move stolen cars around. you target the car you want. go online to places like this and just pick a similar colour car and then make the plate up.
steal the car, swap the plate then and you can drive it half way round the country even to europe without being stopped.
in the old days at least the police could compare the car reg with the tax disc but that has gone now.
i have had it happen to me where i was getting speeding fines, red light jumping and parking tickets in manchester then it moved to bristol or somewhere and i had to prove it wasnt me.
it got flagged up on the system but then i was actually stopped myself and had to prove i was me.
that was pretty easy as i am so blinking famous.
its the easiest way now to not bother paying for insurance or road tax if someone else, somewhere else, is paying it for you so you dont get stopped.
steal the car, swap the plate then and you can drive it half way round the country even to europe without being stopped.
in the old days at least the police could compare the car reg with the tax disc but that has gone now.
i have had it happen to me where i was getting speeding fines, red light jumping and parking tickets in manchester then it moved to bristol or somewhere and i had to prove it wasnt me.
it got flagged up on the system but then i was actually stopped myself and had to prove i was me.
that was pretty easy as i am so blinking famous.
its the easiest way now to not bother paying for insurance or road tax if someone else, somewhere else, is paying it for you so you dont get stopped.
snuffy said:
Ken Figenus said:
Was showing a mate my vid of the C Quartz treatment on the old bus which is on YouTube. He raised an eyebrow about me showing the numberplate to all and sundry
As opposed to when you drive it on the public road ?Haven't seen a crook with crossed fingers and a notepad & pen at roundabouts since Google was invented ;-)
I also think that many would be surprised at what people get up to given the proliferation of automated big bro CCTV etc...
Now if I wanted to find a midnight blue Rapide's number plate just before my Gumball run... Possibly???
We are not all like us
I also think that many would be surprised at what people get up to given the proliferation of automated big bro CCTV etc...
Now if I wanted to find a midnight blue Rapide's number plate just before my Gumball run... Possibly???
We are not all like us
Found this on DVLA
Request information about a vehicle's registered keeper from DVLA
You can request details of a vehicle’s registered keeper and certain other information from DVLA if you have ‘reasonable cause’.
Why you might make a request
‘Reasonable cause’ can include:
finding out who was responsible for an accident
tracing the owner of an abandoned vehicle
tracing the owner of a vehicle illegally parked on private land
issuing parking tickets
tracing people responsible for driving off without paying for goods and services
tracing vehicle owners suspected of insurance fraud
What information you can request
You can ask for:
details of a vehicle’s registered keeper
information about previous keepers for a vehicle now registered in your name
information the DVLA holds about you
Private car parking management companies can only request information from the DVLA if they’re members of the British Parking Association or the Independent Parking Committee.
Make a request
You’ll have to fill in a form and apply by post. The form you need to use depends on who is making the request, and why.
Details of how to pay and where to send your application are on each form.
Who is making the request Form
An individual Form V888
A company Form V8882
A company that issues parking charge notices Form V8883
You can download further information on requesting information from DVLA.
Request information about a vehicle's registered keeper from DVLA
You can request details of a vehicle’s registered keeper and certain other information from DVLA if you have ‘reasonable cause’.
Why you might make a request
‘Reasonable cause’ can include:
finding out who was responsible for an accident
tracing the owner of an abandoned vehicle
tracing the owner of a vehicle illegally parked on private land
issuing parking tickets
tracing people responsible for driving off without paying for goods and services
tracing vehicle owners suspected of insurance fraud
What information you can request
You can ask for:
details of a vehicle’s registered keeper
information about previous keepers for a vehicle now registered in your name
information the DVLA holds about you
Private car parking management companies can only request information from the DVLA if they’re members of the British Parking Association or the Independent Parking Committee.
Make a request
You’ll have to fill in a form and apply by post. The form you need to use depends on who is making the request, and why.
Details of how to pay and where to send your application are on each form.
Who is making the request Form
An individual Form V888
A company Form V8882
A company that issues parking charge notices Form V8883
You can download further information on requesting information from DVLA.
Well dug Dig. And its a big 'Ohh dear' from me.
Looks like DVLA open house - all that type of private info stuff should be requested via the Police surely? Or at least a free for all opt-out like the Electoral Register?
This needs escalation as it looks like its not people being jumpy/paranoid
Looks like DVLA open house - all that type of private info stuff should be requested via the Police surely? Or at least a free for all opt-out like the Electoral Register?
This needs escalation as it looks like its not people being jumpy/paranoid
JohnG1 said:
Or if you worked in the IT department you could just dump the entire database to a series of USB drives and walk it out of the building...
Government IT is often somewhat lacking in security.
You'd be spending a long long long time inside if anyone ever tried this. I've worked in several Government areas and its not lax. Government IT is often somewhat lacking in security.
I'm probably being complacent, but I'm really struggling to get too excited about it.
I can't see a high risk of my 6 year old DB9 being stolen to order (lets hope that anyone who does has a good detailer to polish the scratches out!). And at the heritage end of the spectrum, the insurance is cheap precisely because you can't easily re-sell a car without the history etc (and if you wanted to find a registration plate for a db4/5/6 just come along to an AMOC concours, no need to surf Pistonheads!)
Maybe if I had the very latest Vanquish Volante I might be more worried. But it begs the question, what cars are being stolen to order? Anyone seen any stats? I'm guessing high end BMWs, Audis, Mercs and Range Rovers would be the prime targets
Rob
PS I've got visions of Russell being pulled over by the police - "No-one other than an AMOC member would wear these red trousers, it must be my car officer!"
I can't see a high risk of my 6 year old DB9 being stolen to order (lets hope that anyone who does has a good detailer to polish the scratches out!). And at the heritage end of the spectrum, the insurance is cheap precisely because you can't easily re-sell a car without the history etc (and if you wanted to find a registration plate for a db4/5/6 just come along to an AMOC concours, no need to surf Pistonheads!)
Maybe if I had the very latest Vanquish Volante I might be more worried. But it begs the question, what cars are being stolen to order? Anyone seen any stats? I'm guessing high end BMWs, Audis, Mercs and Range Rovers would be the prime targets
Rob
PS I've got visions of Russell being pulled over by the police - "No-one other than an AMOC member would wear these red trousers, it must be my car officer!"
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