So Ferrari , Lambo and MacLaren are supercars and Astons ...
Discussion
Another angle is to try and find a category for the new Tesla Model S
0-60 in 3.1 seconds same as a McLaren but five seats and luggage space.
It is attractive and not too flash in a Jaguar XF sort of fashion, but it ain't gonna turn many heads.
So performance perhaps is less of a factor than just drop dead gorgeous, which many Astons have in excess.
0-60 in 3.1 seconds same as a McLaren but five seats and luggage space.
It is attractive and not too flash in a Jaguar XF sort of fashion, but it ain't gonna turn many heads.
So performance perhaps is less of a factor than just drop dead gorgeous, which many Astons have in excess.
Would a 200mph corvette be a super car? Not in my book. for me a supercar is a magical combination of speed, beauty, rarity (probably price)..... Is an F430 a supercar or just a really good sports car (not driven one but like them). It probably also depends on what you drive today. What about a F599?
My DB9 is not a supercar but it's a fantastic GT car in the traditional sense. I'm happy to do long trips in it and not worry about adding miles. Good fun to rag as well but I always feel I might be letting the side down driving it in an un Astonesque way.
My DB9 is not a supercar but it's a fantastic GT car in the traditional sense. I'm happy to do long trips in it and not worry about adding miles. Good fun to rag as well but I always feel I might be letting the side down driving it in an un Astonesque way.
Stonic said:
...for me a supercar is a magical combination of <speed>, beauty, rarity...
Beauty? rarity! That precludes most Ferraris then. Always "trying too hard" in the look department, always red and all to common in the south east. 
I'll give you the Ferrari La Ferrari but come on guys, the rest are just expensive Italian sports cars with none of the class & history of Alfa Romeo or Maserati. If the term supercar is just performance based there are going to be a lot of cheaper track orientated cars that are quicker than some "supercars"
so just what is the latest criteria for the label "supercar" and who defines it ?
...you can read a generic car magazine and even a 911 is a "supercar"
so just what is the latest criteria for the label "supercar" and who defines it ?
...you can read a generic car magazine and even a 911 is a "supercar"
It's hard to define a supercar.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
The below sums up my views on this perfectly...
Having said that though, for me its simply not about what category a car falls within or what others view it as, its all about how I feel about the car, how it makes me feel and the enjoyment owning the car brings with it
Having said that though, for me its simply not about what category a car falls within or what others view it as, its all about how I feel about the car, how it makes me feel and the enjoyment owning the car brings with it
Omaruk said:
personally for me a supercar has to be 'look at me', mid engined and limited practicality
Ferrai 458 - super car
McLaren 12C - super car
Lambo Gallordo Huracan - super car
Aston Martin any road going production flavour - no
Ferrari FF - no
Porsche 911 turbo - no
P1 -
Aventador
La Ferrari
etc all hyper cars
Ferrai 458 - super car
McLaren 12C - super car
Lambo Gallordo Huracan - super car
Aston Martin any road going production flavour - no
Ferrari FF - no
Porsche 911 turbo - no
P1 -
Aventador
La Ferrari
etc all hyper cars
Agent57 said:
It's hard to define a supercar.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
Have to agree with Agent57 here. A 'supercar' for me is at least mid-rear engined. I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
Agent57 said:
It's hard to define a supercar.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
How about a front-mid engined car with rear-mid mounted gearbox?? Aston Martin and Corvette. They had many a battle at Le Mans..........I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
Vee12V said:
Agent57 said:
It's hard to define a supercar.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
Have to agree with Agent57 here. A 'supercar' for me is at least mid-rear engined. I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
ONE 77, F12, SLR (including Stirling Moss edition), 599 GTO, SLS Black Edition, Lexus LFA and of course going back, many of the vintage Ferraris including the daddy, the 250GTO, are all front engine cars surely worthy of being considered supercars ?
This is what Wikipedia says about Supercars - so it must be right
A supercar (also known as exotic car) is a very expensive and high-performance sports car or grand tourer. Supercars are marketed by automakers as unusual and include limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard-looking cars modified for power and performance, as well as models that appeal to enthusiasts from smaller manufacturers.
and Grand Tourers:
The Grand Tourer, Grand Turismo, Grand Routiere, or GT terms are the most misused and abused terms in motoring.[1] According to author Sam Dawson, "the ideal is of a car with the ability to cross a continent at speed and in comfort yet provide driving thrills when demanded" and it should exhibit the following:[1]
"Ideally, the GT car should have been devised by its progenitors as a Grand Tourer, with all associated considerations in mind."
"It should be able to transport at least two in comfort with their luggage and have room to spare - probably in the form of a two plus two (2+2) seating arrangement."
The engines "should be able to cope with cruising comfortably at the upper limits on all continental roads without drawbacks or loss of useable power."
The design, both "inside and out, should be geared toward complete control by the driver."
Its "chassis and suspension provide suitable handling and roadholding on all routes" during travels.
Grand tourers emphasize comfort and handling over straight-out high performance or spartan accommodations. Historically, most GTs have been front-engined with rear-wheel drive, which creates more space for the cabin than mid-mounted engine layouts. Softer suspensions, greater storage, and more luxurious appointments add to their driving appeal.
Not that many of us really care, but I would elevate the term 'Supercar' to the P1, the LaFerrari and whatever that Porsche one is, plus that Koenigthing and probably some Paganis.
Then a Vantage, 458, 911 (v35.9), Huracan, 4C, R8 etc become Sports Cars, and DB9/Vanquishes, F12s become GTs.
Sorted.
A supercar (also known as exotic car) is a very expensive and high-performance sports car or grand tourer. Supercars are marketed by automakers as unusual and include limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard-looking cars modified for power and performance, as well as models that appeal to enthusiasts from smaller manufacturers.
and Grand Tourers:
The Grand Tourer, Grand Turismo, Grand Routiere, or GT terms are the most misused and abused terms in motoring.[1] According to author Sam Dawson, "the ideal is of a car with the ability to cross a continent at speed and in comfort yet provide driving thrills when demanded" and it should exhibit the following:[1]
"Ideally, the GT car should have been devised by its progenitors as a Grand Tourer, with all associated considerations in mind."
"It should be able to transport at least two in comfort with their luggage and have room to spare - probably in the form of a two plus two (2+2) seating arrangement."
The engines "should be able to cope with cruising comfortably at the upper limits on all continental roads without drawbacks or loss of useable power."
The design, both "inside and out, should be geared toward complete control by the driver."
Its "chassis and suspension provide suitable handling and roadholding on all routes" during travels.
Grand tourers emphasize comfort and handling over straight-out high performance or spartan accommodations. Historically, most GTs have been front-engined with rear-wheel drive, which creates more space for the cabin than mid-mounted engine layouts. Softer suspensions, greater storage, and more luxurious appointments add to their driving appeal.
Not that many of us really care, but I would elevate the term 'Supercar' to the P1, the LaFerrari and whatever that Porsche one is, plus that Koenigthing and probably some Paganis.
Then a Vantage, 458, 911 (v35.9), Huracan, 4C, R8 etc become Sports Cars, and DB9/Vanquishes, F12s become GTs.
Sorted.
jonby said:
Vee12V said:
Agent57 said:
It's hard to define a supercar.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
Have to agree with Agent57 here. A 'supercar' for me is at least mid-rear engined. I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
ONE 77, F12, SLR (including Stirling Moss edition), 599 GTO, SLS Black Edition, Lexus LFA and of course going back, many of the vintage Ferraris including the daddy, the 250GTO, are all front engine cars surely worthy of being considered supercars ?
Vee12V said:
jonby said:
Vee12V said:
Agent57 said:
It's hard to define a supercar.
I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
Have to agree with Agent57 here. A 'supercar' for me is at least mid-rear engined. I would say it has to have at least 8 cylinders and the engine has to be in the middle and it has to have two seats (maybe three). It is usually impractical too.
Aston = super car. Not Supercar.
My Aston DB7V is not a classic car, nor is it a sports car, nor is it a supercar. It as a grand tourer. A work of art.
ONE 77, F12, SLR (including Stirling Moss edition), 599 GTO, SLS Black Edition, Lexus LFA and of course going back, many of the vintage Ferraris including the daddy, the 250GTO, are all front engine cars surely worthy of being considered supercars ?
The offerings have changed so much that the criteria are very different now to a few years ago
Personally, I'd be happy for instance, for an F12 to be considered a super GT (despite having similar/better performance & stats to an Aventador which I think everyone would agree is a supercar), but isn't it interesting that some on here consider a ONE 77 not to be a supercar (it's performance is probably inferior to an F12 so it's understandable) yet to many, ONE 77 is not just a supercar but in fact, a hypercar merely because of it's price, it's rarity, it's impracticality and the fact it sits at the top of the Aston tree
roughrider said:
I would say anything that can achieve over 200mph is a supercar.
Rapide S
Vanquish
Vantage V12S
So, yes, Aston Martins are supercars!
There has to be mileage in that - able to exceed 200mph and drawing water from teeth with their looks? But then I'd never call a boxy 200mph Bentley a supercar - dohh!Rapide S
Vanquish
Vantage V12S
So, yes, Aston Martins are supercars!
Phil74891 said:
Not wishing to start a fight, but in my eyes:
McClaren: cr@p Ferrari (so far)*
Strange comment.McClaren: cr@p Ferrari (so far)*
Edited by Phil74891 on Friday 29th May 18:48
Having owned both V12V and 12C, I can tell you that I had a lot less issues with the 12C than the V12V.
You would be surprised how much more "up-market" the 12C is in every respect (feel, quality and performance) compared to the V12V. There is just no comparison.
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