2009 manual V12 Vantage (Magma Red)
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nw28840 said:
Such a shame Works already sold the Hammerhead Silver V12 Vantage they were selling earlier this year - otherwise I'd have met you there 
Well if it's Hammerhead you're after then another one has just come on at JCT600. Overpriced at present (which is not typical of JCT IMHO) as I suspect about £80K is more realistic.JohnG1 said:
If you are getting an inspection of that car, I would ask the firm inspecting it if they will weigh the brake discs.
If they say no, ask them to do so. And ask them if they bake the discs before weighing them. If they are bemused and haven't got a clue what you are talking about - walk away.
These discs are very expensive to replace (something like £14,000 for four) and measuring them is not enough - you need to know the density.
In my opinion this is probably the single most important factor in considering this purchase which is why the car would be inspected by BR if I were considering it. The two things that could most kill you in this purchase are engine problems and shot CCM discs. You need to know that both of these are fine before handing over any cash. I have nothing against BM whatsoever, it's just that I don't know what their inspection would involve. If they're all over the discs and potential engine issues as BR would be then carry on.If they say no, ask them to do so. And ask them if they bake the discs before weighing them. If they are bemused and haven't got a clue what you are talking about - walk away.
These discs are very expensive to replace (something like £14,000 for four) and measuring them is not enough - you need to know the density.
There is a link on the Porsche page of a German company that returns cc disks. Looks very promising certainly a lot better than 14k.
I'll see if I can dig it out
Have a look at this
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
I'll see if I can dig it out
Have a look at this
http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
joshdodds said:
FYI - one of my closest friends worked at Aston Amersham whilst this car was there and sold. He remembers it as the owner lived in Oxford near his family.
Whilst they had the car he remembers it was serviced by "Gavin" and they also refurbed the alloys.
Good info, This car has definitely had the wheels done.Whilst they had the car he remembers it was serviced by "Gavin" and they also refurbed the alloys.
Thanks for all the updates , information.
I spoke to Adam at Bridge Mill - they know the selling dealer and have been been up there once before to do an inspection for a customer on a DB7. They said the experience wasn't great , after making an appointment to inspect and despite having phoned the seller en-route - the car was still tucked away at the back of a load of cars and had a flat battery so wouldn't start. They don't have ramps so the inspection on the V12 just cannot take place there !
I've been back to hospital today, so have had time to think about my next plan of action.
I'm going to phone the seller tomorrow offer to pay for an inspection and i think say that I'm happy to pay for the car transportation to/from Bridge Mill (approx 2 hours each way) subject to the car being in a "reasonable condition" - by that I mean a "positive inspection" report. If the car turns out to be a 'bag of nails' then I'll pay for the inspection, but there's no way I'm paying the seller.
I'm not sure the seller will let the car travel 2 hours each way, they want the inspection done in-house. There's just no way I'm risking buying the car without a detailed inspection.
If the seller are not prepared to let the car go that distance, then i will chat to JCT in Leeds, see if they will do an inspection that includes a full check on the ceramics (as detailed in a previous post) and ask for some sort of guarantee that the inspection has some comeback. Maybe I will be forced to take out an extended warranty for the first year of ownership (a little over £2k) , I can decide that on the back of the inspection report. I would ask them to talk to my local Independent if JCT do the inspection report.
Once again thanks for all the replies...keep 'em coming ! I need all the information / help i can get.
Cheers,
Nick
I spoke to Adam at Bridge Mill - they know the selling dealer and have been been up there once before to do an inspection for a customer on a DB7. They said the experience wasn't great , after making an appointment to inspect and despite having phoned the seller en-route - the car was still tucked away at the back of a load of cars and had a flat battery so wouldn't start. They don't have ramps so the inspection on the V12 just cannot take place there !
I've been back to hospital today, so have had time to think about my next plan of action.
I'm going to phone the seller tomorrow offer to pay for an inspection and i think say that I'm happy to pay for the car transportation to/from Bridge Mill (approx 2 hours each way) subject to the car being in a "reasonable condition" - by that I mean a "positive inspection" report. If the car turns out to be a 'bag of nails' then I'll pay for the inspection, but there's no way I'm paying the seller.
I'm not sure the seller will let the car travel 2 hours each way, they want the inspection done in-house. There's just no way I'm risking buying the car without a detailed inspection.
If the seller are not prepared to let the car go that distance, then i will chat to JCT in Leeds, see if they will do an inspection that includes a full check on the ceramics (as detailed in a previous post) and ask for some sort of guarantee that the inspection has some comeback. Maybe I will be forced to take out an extended warranty for the first year of ownership (a little over £2k) , I can decide that on the back of the inspection report. I would ask them to talk to my local Independent if JCT do the inspection report.
Once again thanks for all the replies...keep 'em coming ! I need all the information / help i can get.
Cheers,
Nick
nw28840 said:
Thanks for all the updates , information.
I spoke to Adam at Bridge Mill - they know the selling dealer and have been been up there once before to do an inspection for a customer on a DB7. They said the experience wasn't great , after making an appointment to inspect and despite having phoned the seller en-route - the car was still tucked away at the back of a load of cars and had a flat battery so wouldn't start. They don't have ramps so the inspection on the V12 just cannot take place there !
I've been back to hospital today, so have had time to think about my next plan of action.
I'm going to phone the seller tomorrow offer to pay for an inspection and i think say that I'm happy to pay for the car transportation to/from Bridge Mill (approx 2 hours each way) subject to the car being in a "reasonable condition" - by that I mean a "positive inspection" report. If the car turns out to be a 'bag of nails' then I'll pay for the inspection, but there's no way I'm paying the seller.
I'm not sure the seller will let the car travel 2 hours each way, they want the inspection done in-house. There's just no way I'm risking buying the car without a detailed inspection.
If the seller are not prepared to let the car go that distance, then i will chat to JCT in Leeds, see if they will do an inspection that includes a full check on the ceramics (as detailed in a previous post) and ask for some sort of guarantee that the inspection has some comeback. Maybe I will be forced to take out an extended warranty for the first year of ownership (a little over £2k) , I can decide that on the back of the inspection report. I would ask them to talk to my local Independent if JCT do the inspection report.
Once again thanks for all the replies...keep 'em coming ! I need all the information / help i can get.
Cheers,
Nick
Dealers hate independent inspections because it holds a mirror to them and forces them to realise that they are full of bs....I spoke to Adam at Bridge Mill - they know the selling dealer and have been been up there once before to do an inspection for a customer on a DB7. They said the experience wasn't great , after making an appointment to inspect and despite having phoned the seller en-route - the car was still tucked away at the back of a load of cars and had a flat battery so wouldn't start. They don't have ramps so the inspection on the V12 just cannot take place there !
I've been back to hospital today, so have had time to think about my next plan of action.
I'm going to phone the seller tomorrow offer to pay for an inspection and i think say that I'm happy to pay for the car transportation to/from Bridge Mill (approx 2 hours each way) subject to the car being in a "reasonable condition" - by that I mean a "positive inspection" report. If the car turns out to be a 'bag of nails' then I'll pay for the inspection, but there's no way I'm paying the seller.
I'm not sure the seller will let the car travel 2 hours each way, they want the inspection done in-house. There's just no way I'm risking buying the car without a detailed inspection.
If the seller are not prepared to let the car go that distance, then i will chat to JCT in Leeds, see if they will do an inspection that includes a full check on the ceramics (as detailed in a previous post) and ask for some sort of guarantee that the inspection has some comeback. Maybe I will be forced to take out an extended warranty for the first year of ownership (a little over £2k) , I can decide that on the back of the inspection report. I would ask them to talk to my local Independent if JCT do the inspection report.
Once again thanks for all the replies...keep 'em coming ! I need all the information / help i can get.
Cheers,
Nick
Get a decent indie like Bamford Rose to organise a low loader, get it to them for an inspection and away you go.
The thing is - most people don't do this and buy based on the 140 point report which is a load of rubbish.
I had Bamford Rose do an inspection on my V12V just before the warranty expired and they found thousands of pounds worth of problems that were then fixed (kicking and screaming) by AML under warranty.
Just spoke to the selling dealership now, (I had to phone 3 times to finally speak to "a Manager" about the car).
They have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......
They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).
I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.
I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.
...and i tend to go with my gut !
They have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......
They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).
I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.
I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.
...and i tend to go with my gut !
nw28840 said:
Just spoke to the selling dealership now, (I had to phone 3 times to finally speak to "a Manager" about the car).
They have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......
They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).
I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.
I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.
...and i tend to go with my gut !
NickThey have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......
They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).
I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.
I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.
...and i tend to go with my gut !
That is nearly £20k cheaper than anything else on the market.
I'm sorry but they would be getting my £500. Even if you had to throw a few k at the car to get it mint you would still be quids in.
No?
I agree with Nick. It's a great bargain and it's already at bottom price. If you keep it for a few years, service it on time and maintain it well, (and get it detailed by Paddy if needed), then when you come to offload it, you'd easily get 80K for it - and thats worst case. It's a unique colour and spec. These will always be a little harder to sell but so much more valuable in the long run than the usual grey/black/silver cars.
Cheers
Chris.
Cheers
Chris.
Agree with Nick, £500 isn't much. I got my V12 for £68k last year and so far its been solid (apart from a book leak). BR had her in for the MOT and said she was in good shape. Granted mine wasn't from this dealer but they welcomed any inspection/checks. The result is, I've probably not lost a penny over the last year
Some dealers will also purchase the car for you and then inspect and warranty the car for you. You won't get it for the 60K ish price you would direct from the current supplier, but you would get something warranted. It might cost you around 75K however. I recall Aston Martin Sevenoaks doing this at one point - not sure if they still do.
Cheers
Chris.
Cheers
Chris.
You are correct but don't forget this has 34k on it so higher mileage than anything else currently being sold and it's a 2009 car.
It also doesn't have full service history - sellers have had the car over a year and it was last due a service in October 2014.
I can still see the point in going through with this though.........But............
The car was advertised for £66.6k and subsequently sold in Feb 2014 at Stratstones AM , this means the car would also have come with an AM extended warranty ( which is worth another £2k ).
I think the prices at the moment are high as it's summer, plus of course the cars advertised are all newer with lower miles.
I'm gonna take a little time to think about this, the selling dealership frightens me to hell to be honest. This may well be a good car but there's a big 'if' he and I don't think it's worth more than £63k to me.
I was looking at having the independent inspection done , then purchasing if all was ok. The. The car would immediately then need a service (so that 's +-£1,250).
Depending on the Bridge MIll inspection I would then have had the 140 point check done at AM and an extended warranty on the car for the first year (another £2k). At some point in the next few months I would then take the car to Bamford Rose and had a further inspection done to highlight any warranty work that should be done by AM and also to get a second opinion on the car.
Selling dealership are prepared for the car to go to Bridge Mill in Macclesfield for inspection , they will not consider Bamford Rose due to the distance. The first few phone calls over the last week they wouldn't even consider an inspection of the car offsite !
UPDATE : Not sure this plan will work as AM may decline to out a warranty on the car due to to a complete service history as previously mentioned. It shouldn't be a problem after a 140 point dealer check but will mean the warranty will effectively be only a 9 month warranty as you are unable to make any claims in the first 90 days.
Note - it's not the small failures that worry me , I'm just trying to look into a way of buying the car and then covering myself from any major issue. Being brutally honest I can't afford more than low to mid sixties, Any higher is just out of my league.
It also doesn't have full service history - sellers have had the car over a year and it was last due a service in October 2014.
I can still see the point in going through with this though.........But............
The car was advertised for £66.6k and subsequently sold in Feb 2014 at Stratstones AM , this means the car would also have come with an AM extended warranty ( which is worth another £2k ).
I think the prices at the moment are high as it's summer, plus of course the cars advertised are all newer with lower miles.
I'm gonna take a little time to think about this, the selling dealership frightens me to hell to be honest. This may well be a good car but there's a big 'if' he and I don't think it's worth more than £63k to me.
I was looking at having the independent inspection done , then purchasing if all was ok. The. The car would immediately then need a service (so that 's +-£1,250).
Depending on the Bridge MIll inspection I would then have had the 140 point check done at AM and an extended warranty on the car for the first year (another £2k). At some point in the next few months I would then take the car to Bamford Rose and had a further inspection done to highlight any warranty work that should be done by AM and also to get a second opinion on the car.
Selling dealership are prepared for the car to go to Bridge Mill in Macclesfield for inspection , they will not consider Bamford Rose due to the distance. The first few phone calls over the last week they wouldn't even consider an inspection of the car offsite !
UPDATE : Not sure this plan will work as AM may decline to out a warranty on the car due to to a complete service history as previously mentioned. It shouldn't be a problem after a 140 point dealer check but will mean the warranty will effectively be only a 9 month warranty as you are unable to make any claims in the first 90 days.
Note - it's not the small failures that worry me , I'm just trying to look into a way of buying the car and then covering myself from any major issue. Being brutally honest I can't afford more than low to mid sixties, Any higher is just out of my league.
Edited by nw28840 on Wednesday 5th August 12:56
AMDBSNick said:
nw28840 said:
Just spoke to the selling dealership now, (I had to phone 3 times to finally speak to "a Manager" about the car).
They have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......
They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).
I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.
I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.
...and i tend to go with my gut !
NickThey have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......
They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).
I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.
I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.
...and i tend to go with my gut !
That is nearly £20k cheaper than anything else on the market.
I'm sorry but they would be getting my £500. Even if you had to throw a few k at the car to get it mint you would still be quids in.
No?
How much are a complete set of brakes - excluded by the dealer from the deposit refund?
Why is it so much cheaper?
Why has the selling dealer got such an awful reputation?
Neil1300r said:
How much is a new V12 engine? Does the Indy know about the V12 death rattle, and how to check?
How much are a complete set of brakes - excluded by the dealer from the deposit refund?
Why is it so much cheaper?
Why has the selling dealer got such an awful reputation?
You used to be such a cheery fella before you gave up the booze How much are a complete set of brakes - excluded by the dealer from the deposit refund?
Why is it so much cheaper?
Why has the selling dealer got such an awful reputation?
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