Winter V12 Vantage watch

[IanV12VR]

To V-12V or not to V said:

Ian, would you consider letting both the V12V and the S go to get yourself a S manual? Also (and perhaps this will come out of your answer to the above question), with your direct and extensive experience of both, are there any characteristics of the V12V (manual gearbox excepted) that you prefer to the S? You're the right guy to be talking to!

Edited by To V-12V or not to V on Saturday 5th March 11:10

No, if I needed to do that I would not consider it. Ours our roadsters by the way.

We specced both cars from new so the S had the benefit of what we had learned from the first one. The second one was a little bit brighter colour lightweight seats, full carbon fascia. Both are fabulous cars and even after a year of owning both I still have come up with a favourite. If you want to be noticed go out in the blue one, under the radar the silver works well.

I don't think that the difference between how our two cars puts the power down is that noticeable really. The V12VR does benefit from slightly softer settings which I think may help with this. To tell the truth I probably do not drive them hard enough!

[woodsypedia]

I've mulled this over since I got the call too - but I'm really not too worried about current V12V values. They're still a hugely desirable car, and even we end up with another 1200 V12VS Manuals in existence (which I feel is a high estimation), this still equates to only 2000-2200 manual V12V's ever produced vs the much higher number of DB9's and V8's. Of course this does dilute somewhat, but I didn't buy my car as a future cash cow, I bought it because of the smiles per mile value. If all you care about is future values or loosing money, perhaps now is the time to sell. This car was never something that would double in value overnight, but looking back in 25 years - regardless of how many are produced, you'll regret it if you sell I'm sure

As an aside, I built a spec based on the current S - and each time I do this, the conclusion I reach is that I'd end up taking delivery of pretty much what I have now with 50 extra horses and some adaptive damping. Worth the price? I haven't been able to work this out yet. The extra I'd spend would get me a huge deposit on a DB11. I'm leaning to keeping the V12V and perhaps looking at an 11 as a daily.

Chris.

[jonby]

woodsypedia said:

I've mulled this over since I got the call too - but I'm really not too worried about current V12V values. They're still a hugely desirable car, and even we end up with another 1200 V12VS Manuals in existence (which I feel is a high estimation), this still equates to only 2000-2200 manual V12V's ever produced vs the much higher number of DB9's and V8's. Of course this does dilute somewhat, but I didn't buy my car as a future cash cow, I bought it because of the smiles per mile value. If all you care about is future values or loosing money, perhaps now is the time to sell. This car was never something that would double in value overnight, but looking back in 25 years - regardless of how many are produced, you'll regret it if you sell I'm sure

As an aside, I built a spec based on the current S - and each time I do this, the conclusion I reach is that I'd end up taking delivery of pretty much what I have now with 50 extra horses and some adaptive damping. Worth the price? I haven't been able to work this out yet. The extra I'd spend would get me a huge deposit on a DB11. I'm leaning to keeping the V12V and perhaps looking at an 11 as a daily.

Chris.

across coupes & roadster unlikely to be more than a few hundred RS manuals built - assume v approx 1 yr production, at current build rates, then filter out the SS cars. IIRC, c. 1300-1400 V12Vs built over what, 3-4 yrs ?

[CSK1]

cayman-black said:

Just to let you know the last v12v sold at more than you need to pay for a S.

Is this so? I didn't know the V12 Vantage had now exceeded the V12 Vantage S value. You should definitely keep yours then as at this rate it is going to be worth more than a GT12 soon thanks to yours being a manual! :-)

[cayman-black]

CSK1 said:

Is this so? I didn't know the V12 Vantage had now exceeded the V12 Vantage S value. You should definitely keep yours then as at this rate it is going to be worth more than a GT12 soon thanks to yours being a manual! :-)

Hi CSK1. a car in Scotland sold just about a week ago it was priced at £99995.
I know at least one s owner on here who paid less than that and I have seen a couple of others dip below £100k so your sarcasm has proved unfounded.

[CSK1]

I think we should all care less about value and argue less about which version of the V12 Vantage is going to be worth more in future.
The best car to have is the one you like most, the one you enjoy taking out for a drive with no particular reason, be it V12 Vantage manual with a stick shift or V12 Vantage S with SportshiftIII or the soon to be released V12 Vantage S with stick shift manual.
It's all very personal and we don't buy these cars hoping they're going to increase in value, all the better if they do but it is not the reason we have bought them in the first place.

[hashluck]

CSK1 said:

I think we should all care less about value and argue less about which version of the V12 Vantage is going to be worth more in future.
The best car to have is the one you like most, the one you enjoy taking out for a drive with no particular reason, be it V12 Vantage manual with a stick shift or V12 Vantage S with SportshiftIII or the soon to be released V12 Vantage S with stick shift manual.
It's all very personal and we don't buy these cars hoping they're going to increase in value, all the better if they do but it is not the reason we have bought them in the first place.

+1, this is becoming a bit like a Ferrari Forum. Buy them, use them, enjoy them.

[cayman-black]

Whilst I agree, I think there is no harm in discussing values as this is just the latest news in what is going on change wise with our cars.

[AMDBSNick]

woodsypedia said:

With 50 extra horses and some adaptive damping. Worth the price?

Chris.

BR could sort this bit for substantially less

[AMDBSNick]

hashluck said:

CSK1 said:

I think we should all care less about value and argue less about which version of the V12 Vantage is going to be worth more in future.
The best car to have is the one you like most, the one you enjoy taking out for a drive with no particular reason, be it V12 Vantage manual with a stick shift or V12 Vantage S with SportshiftIII or the soon to be released V12 Vantage S with stick shift manual.
It's all very personal and we don't buy these cars hoping they're going to increase in value, all the better if they do but it is not the reason we have bought them in the first place.

+1, this is becoming a bit like a Ferrari Forum. Buy them, use them, enjoy them.

+2

[tonyhall38]

AMDBSNick said:

woodsypedia said:

With 50 extra horses and some adaptive damping. Worth the price?

Chris.

BR could sort this bit for substantially less

You the new rob?......you know how that turned out......

[FrankieBee]

AMDBSNick said:

BR could sort this bit for substantially less

Edited to make much more of a contribution...

Edited by FrankieBee on Sunday 6th March 17:31

[AMDBSNick]

tonyhall38 said:

You the new rob?......you know how that turned out......

FrankieBee said:

Not at all. Just pointing out a fact.

Thanks for your contributions anyway

[divetheworld]

AMDBSNick said:

BR could sort this bit for substantially less

And the resale value of an appreciating car that can't go into the authorised dealer network......?

[AMDBSNick]

divetheworld said:

And the resale value of an appreciating car that can't go into the authorised dealer network......?

woodsypedia said:

but I'm really not too worried about current V12V values

Oh and why can't it go into the dealer network

[Jon39]

To V-12V or not to V said:

Maybe we've all got it wrong and in 15 years the old classics with manual gearboxes will be worthless!

And not just the manuals.

In15 years time, can you imagine the Brussels legislators even allowing V8 or V12 powered cars to be driven.

Luckily our cars are static works of art already, so we will still enjoy looking at them in our private museums.

You think I am joking.

[FrankieBee]

That's assuming the Brussels legislators will have power over us after the referendum.

[roughrider]

FrankieBee said:

That's assuming the Brussels legislators will have power over us after the referendum.

Trump gets the presidency, and we stay in Europe! Wonder what the roads are like in Venezuela??

[divetheworld]

AMDBSNick said:

Oh and why can't it go into the dealer network

Because major mods will be an impediment to the dealer s.o.g. obligations and the warranty. If any part of the non standard parts go wrong during or shortly after sale, the dealer may be unable to mitigate loss by using their tech, parts and engineers labour.
The MIC warranty would not cover a vehicle which has been in any way modified from the Aston Martin original specification (Item 10 of their T&C's).

[cayman-black]

right. In the end I think Rob learned and decided if you really want a very fast car change marques I think he now has a new RS Porsche.
Very nice!