Winter V12 Vantage watch

Winter V12 Vantage watch

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woodsypedia

870 posts

154 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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They're slowing - I've noticed that. That said, it's becoming a hard choice to spend 104K on a used V12 or 150K on a new manual. I understand for some the jump is still significant - but I don't think it stops people from looking. There's also a huge amount of other choice in that price bracket. I'm seriously considering looking at the Merc GTS. Really nice car and around the same price bracket. I'm fortunate to be able to keep my V12 too but of course not everyone is in the same position.

phil bird

210 posts

136 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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woodsypedia said:
They're slowing - I've noticed that. That said, it's becoming a hard choice to spend 104K on a used V12 or 150K on a new manual. I understand for some the jump is still significant - but I don't think it stops people from looking. There's also a huge amount of other choice in that price bracket. I'm seriously considering looking at the Merc GTS. Really nice car and around the same price bracket. I'm fortunate to be able to keep my V12 too but of course not everyone is in the same position.
my thoughts to and not an issue if your v12 vantage is a keeper.... But if not is this the time to sell I wonder confused do you feel the original manual will have taken a big hit in value this time next year... ?

gibbon

2,182 posts

208 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Well there appears to be a few more for sale, i guess not surprising considering the new v12s manual.

What do people make of the Alexanders car for a whisker under £90k? Theres a couple of main dealer cars at a similar price, however theres nowa main dealer v12s at sub £95k too, quite a hard decision at that price point.

dmm1983

63 posts

127 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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I am pleasantly surprised at how good the reviews are of the new car. Bear in mind updated tech you would get with one of these, I think it is making the price of second hand 5 year old V12Vs look very rich at the moment.

northernmedia

1,988 posts

139 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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gibbon said:
Well there appears to be a few more for sale, i guess not surprising considering the new v12s manual.

What do people make of the Alexanders car for a whisker under £90k? Theres a couple of main dealer cars at a similar price, however theres nowa main dealer v12s at sub £95k too, quite a hard decision at that price point.
Looks nice!
I bought mine from Alexander's, great guys to deal with.
Paid 98k - 2013 S with 14k miles back in sept, did pretty well I reckon.

If they're now a similar price I'd go for the S.
But then I would say that wink

gibbon

2,182 posts

208 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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If it was 75k i would buy it, but i am sure i am not alone in that!

The problem is the relative value against the 's', and where they will settle once the v12s manuals start coming online. I cant decide how i feel about the pricing at the moment, but i think i would agree with the above, possible looking a little rich now when comparing to newer cars.

Quite a hard decision.

12pack

1,549 posts

169 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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dmm1983 said:
I am pleasantly surprised at how good the reviews are of the new car. Bear in mind updated tech you would get with one of these, I think it is making the price of second hand 5 year old V12Vs look very rich at the moment.
Do you mean the manual V12 S? Actually most reviews have me concerned about the shifter (sprung strongly to the middle 4/5 plane causing mis-shifts). Have put in for a test drive with the dealer ASAP.

Edited by 12pack on Thursday 19th May 11:20

dmm1983

63 posts

127 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Agreed, but presumably that is due to the dog leg box and getting used to that, I've never driven one and would imagine it takes some getting used to.

bentley01

1,004 posts

137 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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I looked at the V12s but in the end bought a late model V12 manual. The cost difference was not much but I bought the original because I wanted a manual and in my opinion the original car is better looking with the proper Aston grill. The new car with the dogleg box seems to suffer from a cost cutting exercise with things like the vents and the door pulls in Carbon not being fitted. The gear box also sounds like a compromise which is a shame because the idea of buying a new car with my exact spec appeals to me.

12pack

1,549 posts

169 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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bentley01 said:
I looked at the V12s but in the end bought a late model V12 manual. The cost difference was not much but I bought the original because I wanted a manual and in my opinion the original car is better looking with the proper Aston grill. The new car with the dogleg box seems to suffer from a cost cutting exercise with things like the vents and the door pulls in Carbon not being fitted. The gear box also sounds like a compromise which is a shame because the idea of buying a new car with my exact spec appeals to me.
+ 1.

I'm definitely going to take a look at one - but I do get the feeling I'll get more power (which I don't really need) and adaptive damping (which sounds good - especially in helping get the power down), but have a more compromised cabin and a poorer gearbox.

BTW, it isn't the dog-leg pattern that's the concern - in fact that's great for the much-needed fast 2-3 shift. The worry is the reports the shifter is sprung heavily to the center (the 4/5 plane) and notchy. That makes the fast 2-3 shift a 2-5 shift if you are not deliberate. I had a similar problem in another car - and that ruined it for me. I want a manual - but not a slower-shifting one.

Edited by 12pack on Thursday 19th May 14:35

cayman-black

12,663 posts

217 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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12pack said:
bentley01 said:
I looked at the V12s but in the end bought a late model V12 manual. The cost difference was not much but I bought the original because I wanted a manual and in my opinion the original car is better looking with the proper Aston grill. The new car with the dogleg box seems to suffer from a cost cutting exercise with things like the vents and the door pulls in Carbon not being fitted. The gear box also sounds like a compromise which is a shame because the idea of buying a new car with my exact spec appeals to me.
+ 1.

I'm definitely going to take a look at one - but I do get the feeling I'll get more power (which I don't really need) and adaptive damping (which sounds good - especially in helping get the power down), but have a more compromised cabin and a poorer gearbox.

BTW, it isn't the dog-leg pattern that's the concern - in fact that's great for the much-needed fast 2-3 shift. The worry is the reports the shifter is sprung heavily to the center (the 4/5 plane) and notchy. That makes the fast 2-3 shift a 2-5 shift if you are not deliberate. I had a similar problem in another car - and that ruined it for me. I want a manual - but not a slower-shifting one.

Edited by 12pack on Thursday 19th May 14:35
More power yes, faster no the dogleg means no quicker off the line. even with the adaptive this car has trouble putting full power down plus the standard set up feels just fine to me. Also check back on the original V12 tests no one complains about the box rightly so as it really is superb. As for price this car is another £50k or more if specced right from the £100k ones that are for sale. imo a new car yes but defiantly not a better car!

northernmedia

1,988 posts

139 months

12pack

1,549 posts

169 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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northernmedia said:
Not to be too provocative, but that just proves my point, and that of some of the other posters here. If you think achieving that straight line gap over a full mile is a reason to get the S, you really should get a properly fast car instead.

Like some of these https://youtu.be/8k1DIrfNr48


Edited by 12pack on Thursday 19th May 19:04

northernmedia

1,988 posts

139 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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The S offers considerably more than just straight line speed.
But then I guess you already know that.

12pack

1,549 posts

169 months

Friday 20th May 2016
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northernmedia said:
The S offers considerably more than just straight line speed.
But then I guess you already know that.
Indeed it does - that's why we are in the AM forum wink

cayman-black

12,663 posts

217 months

Friday 20th May 2016
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northernmedia said:
I was not talking about the S with the paddle gearbox , if you want the quickest V12 as your video shows this is it.
Imo not so much in it with both the manuals.

northernmedia

1,988 posts

139 months

Friday 20th May 2016
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Don't be ganging up on little ole me biglaugh

cayman-black

12,663 posts

217 months

Friday 20th May 2016
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biggrin. I was agreeing with you!

SAG6Y

387 posts

190 months

Saturday 21st May 2016
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11 V12V's for sale on autotrader. Where have they all come from??!!

12pack

1,549 posts

169 months

Saturday 21st May 2016
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A wave of defections to the "digital" side (Mclaren etc.) ...or others in anticipation of the new V12s manuals? Lots of opportunities for V8V owners to step up.

Edited by 12pack on Saturday 21st May 16:01


Edited by 12pack on Saturday 21st May 16:02