Anyone think it likely...........

Anyone think it likely...........

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Big Ry

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1,678 posts

118 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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So i'm sure this has been done to death already, but does anybody on here think it likely that our friends at Gaydon will do a V12VS Manual as a run out model ? It would seem a fitting end to the naturally aspirated 6.0 as it will be the end of an era.

I remember a while ago some people were insisting it was already a done deal, but nothing seems to have emerged (unless I missed it altogether).

If they did do it I wonder whether it would be a limited run or not.

AMDBSNick

6,990 posts

161 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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There is a test car running around and has been for a while. If they have been watching the current trend on V12V I suspect they may be able to make a decent business case wink

Big Ry

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Monday 8th February 2016
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AMDBSNick said:
I suspect they may be able to make a decent business case wink
Lets' "assume" that they will make a case, it would be interesting to see whether they wanted to limit the run or just sell as many as they could (I can see a reason for both view points).

Also it would be interesting to see where it's price point was, either above or below the ASM3. For desirability I could see it pegged above the SS.......

Interesting to see what happens.

Flugplatz

1,952 posts

244 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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I don't think so.

Sounds like more of a Porsche trick than something AM would do.


northernmedia

1,988 posts

137 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Nah tongue out

woodsypedia

870 posts

152 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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I also heard the same rumours - but I think it was dealers looking for deposits - nothing had ever been confirmed was the story I was given. It was explained to me that the test car wasn't anywhere near ready enough to put to production - and they had issues with gearing in regards to extrapolating the power with 6 gears. This was the driver for the original decision on the S to only use the 8 speed automated manual.

Personally, I'd love to see another V12 Vantage manual, and I do think it might happen, but I also wonder if it will be based on the 5.2 twin engine rather than the n/a version. I think if it happens again (manual and natural aspiration), they might save it for the next gen Vantage. Last I heard on this was 2017 earliest for the new Vantage (V8 or otherwise).

Chris.

Big Ry

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Monday 8th February 2016
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Flugplatz said:
I don't think so.

Sounds like more of a Porsche trick than something AM would do.
Do you mean a limited run sounds more like Porsche thing or the price issue ?

t0s

1,533 posts

167 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Hanging around this forum certainly creates the impression that there is a lot of support a manual V12Vs. The more likely truth is that its just the dozen or so of us enthusiastic enough about our cars who post in this forum. Perhaps rest of the V12V owners would much rather have something automated. It does seem that there are still a healthy number of V12V's coming into the market - and I'd be curious as to why they are being sold by their owners. Is it because they got tired of shifting?

Edited by t0s on Monday 8th February 12:25

Big Ry

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Monday 8th February 2016
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t0s said:
Hanging around this forum certainly creates the impression that there is a lot of support a manual V12Vs, in the more likely truth is that its just the dozen or so of us enthusiastic enough about our cars who post in this forum - and that the rest of the V12V owners would much rather have something automated. It does seem there is still a healthy number of V12V's coming into the market - and I'd be curious as to why they are being sold by their owners - is it because they got tired of shifting?
Horses for courses I guess, however I think there will be a strong demand for manuals for as long as AM build them.

As for lots of V12's coming to market......there are currently 2 V12V's and 1 V12VR coming up on AM used.....personally I think lots of people are now keeping hold of them.

AMDBSNick

6,990 posts

161 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Big Ry said:
there are currently 2 V12V's
Both of which I believe are sold according to the other thread yes

t0s

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167 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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Big Ry said:
Horses for courses I guess, however I think there will be a strong demand for manuals for as long as AM build them.

As for lots of V12's coming to market......there are currently 2 V12V's and 1 V12VR coming up on AM used.....personally I think lots of people are now keeping hold of them.
2 V12V = 5% of total sold - that's not insignificant

AMDBSNick

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161 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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t0s said:
2 V12V = 5% of total sold - that's not insignificant
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jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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I don't think there is a cat in hells chance of this being based on the 5.2 ! I think the earliest we will see a 5.2 in the vantage (if at all) is 2 yrs away, after new vantage is launched in 12 months time with the AMG engine - I can't see them launching vantage replacement with regular and high power versions both available from launch so it will surely be base engine first.

Of course they have looked at doing a V12VS manual and we have seen the comments made by the CEO but there simply doesn't seem to be an appetite in some of the key departments at the factory for making a manual. The rumour keeps persisting so we won't know for sure til vantage is finally replaced

There will almost certainly be some kind of run out V12 Vantage as they always follow that kind of pattern. The question is will that run out model be a parts bin tarted up version of what we already have (which is what AML do most of the time for these types of cars), or will they do something with a little more power and a few other bits off GT12 (quite possible to use say the exhaust and a few trim bits) or will they do a manual version. I imagine the commercial case is far stronger for the first two ideas than for a manual V12VS.

outofstepuk

1,242 posts

151 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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t0s said:
2 V12V = 5% of total sold - that's not insignificant
might want to get the abacus out again...

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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AMDBSNick said:
t0s said:
2 V12V = 5% of total sold - that's not insignificant
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No, that's correct. My car is ultra-rare - one of only 40!

AdamV12V

4,987 posts

176 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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t0s said:
2 V12V = <0.5% of total sold - that's fairly insignificant
Corrected for you biggrin

Big Ry

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118 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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t0s said:
Big Ry said:
Horses for courses I guess, however I think there will be a strong demand for manuals for as long as AM build them.

As for lots of V12's coming to market......there are currently 2 V12V's and 1 V12VR coming up on AM used.....personally I think lots of people are now keeping hold of them.
2 V12V = 5% of total sold - that's not insignificant
1200 V12V made and 101 V12VR.........albeit globally.

Not sure of your 5% maths there.......

roughrider

975 posts

185 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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UK 400-ish

t0s

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167 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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roughrider said:
UK 400-ish
Correct
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/aston_martin...
but my math wasn't.

I stand corrected. 2/(341-25) That's 0.6% frown

ds2000

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191 months

Monday 8th February 2016
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I thought my recent man maths to justify things were a little crazy wink