Are Vantage reliable as a daily driver?

[bogie]

roughrider said:

2009 onwards has a lighter clutch pedal, easier to live with. I think they changed the pivot point of the clutch pedal.

I dont know what changed, but I had the original clutch replaced on my Jan 2006 car replaced at 73k miles last year with OE part and its so much lighter its like a different car ...and no longer such a leg ache when stuck in slow city traffic

[evil chevy]

What do you mean by "used along with the handbrake"?

[Zod]

The V12 is fine as a daily driver.

[roughrider]

evil chevy said:

What do you mean by "used along with the handbrake"?

Pre 2012 Vantages don't have Hill Start Assist, so, at an uphill junction, you use the handbrake to hold the car still [so it doesn't roll backwards] as you engage the clutch/throttle. It is a manual car, and you have to use all 4 limbs simultaneously. This is the situation that causes high clutch wear, when a driver "rides" the clutch at an uphill junction, instead of using the handbrake.

[Zod]

roughrider said:

evil chevy said:

What do you mean by "used along with the handbrake"?

Pre 2012 Vantages don't have Hill Start Assist, so, at an uphill junction, you use the handbrake to hold the car still [so it doesn't roll backwards] as you engage the clutch/throttle. It is a manual car, and you have to use all 4 limbs simultaneously. This is the situation that causes high clutch wear, when a driver "rides" the clutch at an uphill junction, instead of using the handbrake.

So like the cars that most of us learned in. If people do ride the clutch on hills, they deserve to pay to replace clutches.

[gibbon]

roughrider said:

Pre 2012 Vantages don't have Hill Start Assist, so, at an uphill junction, you use the handbrake to hold the car still [so it doesn't roll backwards] as you engage the clutch/throttle. It is a manual car, and you have to use all 4 limbs simultaneously. This is the situation that causes high clutch wear, when a driver "rides" the clutch at an uphill junction, instead of using the handbrake.

You mean a regular hill start?

[roughrider]

gibbon said:

You mean a regular hill start?

Yes. I was trying to make it clear for our friends around the world, that aren't taught a hill start in their driving lessons. They are generally the ones with the highest rate of clutch failures.

[BamfordMike]

roughrider said:

Yes. I was trying to make it clear for our friends around the world, that aren't taught a hill start in their driving lessons. They are generally the ones with the highest rate of clutch failures.

For the V8 pre hill hold software cars, the biggest killer of clutches if you group manual and Sportshift is the Sportshift reversing up an incline after cold start. Even if the user was the most mechanically sympathetic, best driver, there is absolutely nothing he could do to overcome the tall gear ratio and high fast idle and robot clutch control frying the friction plate. The message for Sportshift as a daily drive has to be, if you have to reverse up a drive on daily basis - dont do it, chose a different trans or park the car elsewhere.

As far as saying the driver causes the premature clutch wear because he hasn't been taught hill start, i think that's an excuse for the single plate clutch because how many twinplate clutches get fried? If the V8 had of gone into production with twinplate from original 4.3L days we would never have discussions about weak clutches. I do come across not the best V12 Manual clutch control from some owners, i dont come across burnt out twinplates.

[evil chevy]

I'm confused, where I'm from if you know how to drive a stick shift and use the clutch you know how to do a hill start without handbrake.
I havent used handbrake for hill start for probably 20 years...