V8 Vantage N430/GT12 half way house coming?
Discussion
Big Ry said:
Saying that, the new 7 speed V12S Manual would have taken a bit of investment I'd assume, so anything's possible.
They've brought back a manual transmission to the V12? This changes everything... the primary attraction of the N430 was the manual box. I'll have to look into it further. Thanks!
Big Ry said:
As J12KJR has rightly said, i'd guess the chance of AM investing anything in increasing power output from the existing V8 (or V12 for that matter) lump would be fairly slim. If they were going to do that I think they would have done it before pulling the plug on US Vantage sales, as that would have been an easier way to shift a few units instead of parts bin specials.
In all fairness though, I think most of us would prefer that they focus on the new range now instead of spending valuable funds tweaking the outgoing one. Saying that, the new 7 speed V12S Manual would have taken a bit of investment I'd assume, so anything's possible.
One has to assume the investment into the manual box is because it will be rolled into several models going forward - one imagines if it works with the n/a engine in V12VS, it wouldn't take much change to work with 5.2 TT V12 in DB11 for instanceIn all fairness though, I think most of us would prefer that they focus on the new range now instead of spending valuable funds tweaking the outgoing one. Saying that, the new 7 speed V12S Manual would have taken a bit of investment I'd assume, so anything's possible.
However I certainly wouldn't rule out a vantage product with slightly more power from the current V8 before vantage is replaced completely in a year or so :-) As others have said, speak to your dealer and all will be revealed....................
I've read the 'V12VS Manual' thread and, whilst it sounds very interesting, somehow it doesn't grip me as much as the idea of a road/track focused and lightweight (I use that term most vaguely!) car which can be used as a euro-blast GT on occasion. More a GT3 alternative than a Turbo S, if you catch my drift. Somehow I just don't think a V12 captures what I'm after. A 1,500kg manual N450 on the other hand... yum
The last post is the best steer yet - I think the previous hints went over my head! I'll follow that up right now, thank you!
Other than a few loose phone calls to Sevenoaks, I've never had any dealing with an AM centre before. I'm based in London/Cambridge but happy to use anyone... any recommendations which dealers are better than others? Feel free to PM me.
The last post is the best steer yet - I think the previous hints went over my head! I'll follow that up right now, thank you!
Other than a few loose phone calls to Sevenoaks, I've never had any dealing with an AM centre before. I'm based in London/Cambridge but happy to use anyone... any recommendations which dealers are better than others? Feel free to PM me.
Edited by AOK on Wednesday 2nd March 15:03
J12KJR said:
The June 2016 end in the US is because the Vantage doesn't meet some of their regulations, they were given a dispensation to keep selling non compliant vehicles until June 2016.
After that they would have to redisgn the Vantage to comply and that isn't going to happen.
After that they would have to redisgn the Vantage to comply and that isn't going to happen.
Your mention of June 2016, does not match the dispensation that was originally reported.
http://www.reuters.com/article/astonmartin-autos-s...
End of August 2016 for DB9.
End of August 2017 for Vantage.
Perhaps something has changed, since the original safety decision in October 2014.
These USA safety decisions remind me of Morgan Cars. Their 4 wheel sports cars, are considered much too dangerous to be driven in USA. However, the Morgan 3 wheel sports car ( you wouldn't pursuade me to travel in one of those
), is considered safe, and is very welcome in USA.I know, it is deemed to be a motor bike, but illogical how anyone can consider it safer than anything with 4 wheels.
Jon39 said:
Your mention of June 2016, does not match the dispensation that was originally reported.
http://www.reuters.com/article/astonmartin-autos-s...
End of August 2016 for DB9.
End of August 2017 for Vantage.
Perhaps something has changed, since the original safety decision in October 2014.
These USA safety decisions remind me of Morgan Cars. Their 4 wheel sports cars, are considered much too dangerous to be driven in USA. However, the Morgan 3 wheel sports car ( you wouldn't pursuade me to travel in one of those
), is considered safe, and is very welcome in USA.I know, it is deemed to be a motor bike, but illogical how anyone can consider it safer than anything with 4 wheels.
Jon39 said:
J12KJR said:
The June 2016 end in the US is because the Vantage doesn't meet some of their regulations, they were given a dispensation to keep selling non compliant vehicles until June 2016.
After that they would have to redisgn the Vantage to comply and that isn't going to happen.
After that they would have to redisgn the Vantage to comply and that isn't going to happen.
Your mention of June 2016, does not match the dispensation that was originally reported.
http://www.reuters.com/article/astonmartin-autos-s...
End of August 2016 for DB9.
End of August 2017 for Vantage.
Perhaps something has changed, since the original safety decision in October 2014.
These USA safety decisions remind me of Morgan Cars. Their 4 wheel sports cars, are considered much too dangerous to be driven in USA. However, the Morgan 3 wheel sports car ( you wouldn't pursuade me to travel in one of those
), is considered safe, and is very welcome in USA.I know, it is deemed to be a motor bike, but illogical how anyone can consider it safer than anything with 4 wheels.
Your info is probably correct I had read about the dispensation and when June 2016 was mentioned earlier in the thread by someone I put 2 and 2 together and probably ended up with 5 in reality.
Whatever the date I at least hope the thoery is correct if not I will just give up
V8 Vantage GT said:
Jon39 said:
Your mention of June 2016, does not match the dispensation that was originally reported.
http://www.reuters.com/article/astonmartin-autos-s...
End of August 2016 for DB9.
End of August 2017 for Vantage.
Perhaps something has changed, since the original safety decision in October 2014.
These USA safety decisions remind me of Morgan Cars. Their 4 wheel sports cars, are considered much too dangerous to be driven in USA. However, the Morgan 3 wheel sports car ( you wouldn't pursuade me to travel in one of those
), is considered safe, and is very welcome in USA.I know, it is deemed to be a motor bike, but illogical how anyone can consider it safer than anything with 4 wheels.
Stock cars are available with huge discounts already anyway.
IanV12VR said:
AdamV8V said:
Vantage GT8? 
Indeed, I wondered when someone would say that 
I guess question is also on transmission... ...SS11, SS111, 6Sp Man or 7Sp Man!! Maybe they'll surprise us and put TT2 in it..!
It appears the reg GT08 AML has been snapped up too...
SFO said:
I bet the equivalent "run out" model will be made available in the UK market; and have the same effect ..
Stock cars are available with huge discounts already anyway.
I sure the N430 took it's toll on the Vantage market in the UK already. A run out model would be nice, yours will probably be announced later in the year, since they are still taking orders in the UK. It was only in the US where Aston decided to pull the plug early on the Vantage till the replacement arrives.Stock cars are available with huge discounts already anyway.
roughrider said:
If such a car was to be built, judging by what happened with GT12, it would probably sell out before the press got a sniff of it!
You mean it would sell out before the press emabargo was lifted, not before the press got a sniff :-)The press take the embargos pretty seriously of course
GT12 demand seemed to genuinely take the factory by surprise. But they are struggling to get their pricing right on the specials. ONE 77 took a long time to finally sell out (and a much longer time still to get to the current position of big premiums). Vulcan seems to have sold well - I'm not sure if it's sold out, but if it hasn't, there can't be more than a tiny handful left
V12 Zagato was ludicrously over priced, struggled to sell and took more than a year longer than planned before they finally closed their book on sales of less than half the initial plan. GT12 was 60% the price of zagato (250k vs 400k) yet must have cost far more to build (they both had unique carbon body work but GT12 had new exhaust, uprated engine, new wheels, new interior panels, etc whereas zagato had a few trim variations inside and a unique carbon body)
Arguably GT12 should have been £50k more or more sensibly, a build run of 150 or 200. You can understand after Zagato and to a lesser extent ONE 77, why they were wary though
So as I say, they have had mixed experience with pricing & sales of specials. Incidentally I don't consider my own ltd ed of 101 roadster to fall into the above category of specials - it's not 'special' enough to do that.
Obviously I can't comment on what GT8 pricing or numbers might be because none of us know anything about this hypothetical car :-) But going back to my first point in answer to your post, if some posters know something, you can be reasonably sure the press know too........
Incidentally any news the factory may have to announce about any V8 models to be launched is patently being held back to give breathing space to Geneva & DB11......one has to assume it will all become clear within just a few weeks, perhaps (a pure guess) to hit the press in the magazines one issue after the issues that are dominated by Geneva
AOK said:
Waking to the news of the Porsche 911 R, an incredibly exciting lightweight manual normally-aspirated £130k offering, I'm left disappointed that due to the way Porsche now do business, even if I wanted to, I can't buy one!
All this leads me back to the N430, which is something I've been toying with for months. Does anyone know if 2016 will see a new iteration of V8 Vantage special edition? There can't be more than 12-18 months of production left surely?
We've had the N400, N420 etc... can we expect a manual-tran N450? Or GT8 of some sort? V8 Vantage GT? V8 Vantage R?
Ciao AOK! All this leads me back to the N430, which is something I've been toying with for months. Does anyone know if 2016 will see a new iteration of V8 Vantage special edition? There can't be more than 12-18 months of production left surely?
We've had the N400, N420 etc... can we expect a manual-tran N450? Or GT8 of some sort? V8 Vantage GT? V8 Vantage R?
A special analog car to celebrate the Vantage journey would be epic, let's hope AM will hear you! I feel already special in a 4.7, I would imagine in something like what you just described!
FFM said:
Ciao AOK!
A special analog car to celebrate the Vantage journey would be epic, let's hope AM will hear you! I feel already special in a 4.7, I would imagine in something like what you just described!
Keeping my fingers crossed that it might happen. With a manual transmission ideally!A special analog car to celebrate the Vantage journey would be epic, let's hope AM will hear you! I feel already special in a 4.7, I would imagine in something like what you just described!
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