The GT8! Carbon fibre bodied £200K 440BHP 7 Speed V8.

The GT8! Carbon fibre bodied £200K 440BHP 7 Speed V8.

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AOK

2,297 posts

165 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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IanV12VR said:
Cheers Rob. I presume they will be the first three cars produced.

If not £200k, how much?
I've heard £180k in all fairness, with a £10k spoiler/livery pack of some sort...

Add on some bits and that's approaching £200k

FFM

392 posts

100 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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AOK said:
Its very tempting.

Here's the thing though... at £200k you're not far off being able to buy a 991 GT3RS (avec 'flippers' premium). You're also not far off convincing Noble to sell you a M600.

Both give the GT12 a run for its money, let alone a GT8.

At £150k I'd be all over it, but at £200k it seems a substantial figure to pay for a 440hp carbon-paneled V8 Vantage (without the GT3 racing pedigree the GT12 can claim).

Is there a counter argument I'm missing?

And sorry to mention the P word!
Few things I would consider
- 200k is 40k higher than the figure I heard so let's see
- haven't seen any gt12 for sale, in UK there are only handful anyway , 911gt3 rs more like 250k and above and not truly a limited run,imo
- I'd say in terms of AM racing pedigree the Gt8 represents more than the gt12
- manual box is appealing

Maybe in few days we will all have all the answers we are looking for...!


AdamV12V

4,987 posts

176 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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FFM said:
Few things I would consider
- 200k is 40k higher than the figure I heard so let's see
- haven't seen any gt12 for sale, in UK there are only handful anyway , 911gt3 rs more like 250k and above and not truly a limited run,imo
- I'd say in terms of AM racing pedigree the Gt8 represents more than the gt12
- manual box is appealing

Maybe in few days we will all have all the answers we are looking for...!
The GT12 was about £280k with options, I believe 28 of the 100 were sold to the UK.

Flugplatz

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1,952 posts

244 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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AOK said:
I've heard £180k in all fairness, with a £10k spoiler/livery pack of some sort...

Add on some bits and that's approaching £200k
Base is 165/170 plus bits which will be the £200k

Flugplatz

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1,952 posts

244 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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RobDown said:
Yes aok. It's called the GTE

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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I had thought that the GTE race car is the fastest, but am now confused by the stated power outputs.

GTE = (4.5 litres) 480 bhp.
GT3 = 600 bhp.

Have these different models ever raced in the same event?
Any background comments?




jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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Jon39 said:
I had thought that the GTE race car is the fastest, but am now confused by the stated power outputs.

GTE = (4.5 litres) 480 bhp.
GT3 = 600 bhp.

Have these different models ever raced in the same event?
Any background comments?
Personally, I think anyone comparing the Aston racecars (GT4 aside) with GT12/GT8 is stretching things way too far - the engines in GT8/12 are nigh-on identical to the engines in all the other Aston roadcars bar manifolds/exhausts, the gearboxes in the race cars are different to those in the roadcars, the aero is by & large completely different, the weights are very different as the race cars are stripped out, the fuel tanks are different, the steering wheels are different, the suspension is different, the engines are set much further back in the race cars - it's marketing pure & simple

As for GT3/GTE, that's quite simple

GT3 is an established race class and Aston for a few years have used the V12 Vantage as the base for that. GTE applies only to WEC and there is a limit to max engine size, hence Aston have no choice but to use the V8. However the GTE is a much more sophisticated (and expensive) car to produce, with more advanced aero. I suspect that overall laptimes are not vastly unsimilar, with GT3 being a little faster on some high speed straights, but GTE being faster in more technical sections. I also suspect that GTE is more dependant on having a professional racing driver to extract the maximum performance than GT3

GTE is more expensive and 'top of the tree', which is demonstrated partly by the fact it's as quick or quicker round a circuit than GT3 despite having much less power and similar weight

Going back to the road cars, I'm not putting down GT8/12 in any way, but I'd argue other than taking the wider track from the race cars, there really is no more in common between GT12 and the racecars than regular V12V and the racecars. Same applies to GT8. The exception is the GT4 racecar because that is essentially a stripped out V8 roadcar, hence being not vastly unsimilar in price to the V8 roadcar - by contrast, IIRC a new GT3 is roughly in the order of £300-350k and a new GTE is more like double to triple that price

F355spider

1,395 posts

230 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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Pleased that Aston are making these, sound a great alternative to the relatively mass produced alternatives of 'stripped out racer' from other premium brands.

Questions though

Manual preferable to paddle?
Black, grey or green?

FFM

392 posts

100 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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jonby said:
Personally, I think anyone comparing the Aston racecars (GT4 aside) with GT12/GT8 is stretching things way too far - the engines in GT8/12 are nigh-on identical to the engines in all the other Aston roadcars bar manifolds/exhausts, the gearboxes in the race cars are different to those in the roadcars, the aero is by & large completely different, the weights are very different as the race cars are stripped out, the fuel tanks are different, the steering wheels are different, the suspension is different, the engines are set much further back in the race cars - it's marketing pure & simple
Yes I agree with your statement, although the same concept also applies to other brand's cars. it is common to refer to models such as the GT12, the 458 Speciale, GT3RS as road-legal version of cars competing in the WEC (or similar races)..In reality, we all know there is a massive difference (in spec) between a GTE-pro Porsche/Ferrari/Aston and their "inspired" road-legal versions.

Even the press doesn't compare the latters to the former in their track-test-drives, as it will be completely pointless.

In my opinion, I like that Aston creates a special version of its road-car which is inspired by the same "model" that achived good success in motorsport. I view it as a positive because it is a concept successfully implemented by other brands, and apparently works well in recent years.
Yes, someone will say F and P got even more racing pedegree... well yes, that is why they release a lot of specials in not-so limited numbers, because they can.

AM can do that too but, IMHO,only if it does that with common sense and in very limited runs (as it seems they are doing). They did the GT12, now rumors suggest they ll do a GT8, I think this make sense as, so far, each model is inspired by a different race-car (the GT12 being the most powerful based on the GT3 category and the GT8 being the most technical and racing in the, more well known Endurance champ, incl Le Mans 24hrs).

Flugplatz

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1,952 posts

244 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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FFM said:
now rumours suggest they ll do a GT8
No longer a rumour as deposits are being taken and viewing of car from 6th April.

FFM

392 posts

100 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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..almost forgetting, obviously to justify these model as specials, car brands need to differentiate these enough from their base-models to justify the premiums.

purely on a look basis, even a wingless GT12 is substantially different from a V12VS, inside and outside. As well as the Scud vs F430 or a Speciale to a 458Italia. GT3/wingless RS/911Rvs Carrera GTS mmm, need to get closer

Maybe in few more days/weeks we will understand more from this GT8..let's see

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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FFM said:
jonby said:
Personally, I think anyone comparing the Aston racecars (GT4 aside) with GT12/GT8 is stretching things way too far - the engines in GT8/12 are nigh-on identical to the engines in all the other Aston roadcars bar manifolds/exhausts, the gearboxes in the race cars are different to those in the roadcars, the aero is by & large completely different, the weights are very different as the race cars are stripped out, the fuel tanks are different, the steering wheels are different, the suspension is different, the engines are set much further back in the race cars - it's marketing pure & simple
Yes I agree with your statement, although the same concept also applies to other brand's cars. it is common to refer to models such as the GT12, the 458 Speciale, GT3RS as road-legal version of cars competing in the WEC (or similar races)..In reality, we all know there is a massive difference (in spec) between a GTE-pro Porsche/Ferrari/Aston and their "inspired" road-legal versions.

Even the press doesn't compare the latters to the former in their track-test-drives, as it will be completely pointless.

In my opinion, I like that Aston creates a special version of its road-car which is inspired by the same "model" that achived good success in motorsport. I view it as a positive because it is a concept successfully implemented by other brands, and apparently works well in recent years.
Yes, someone will say F and P got even more racing pedegree... well yes, that is why they release a lot of specials in not-so limited numbers, because they can.

AM can do that too but, IMHO,only if it does that with common sense and in very limited runs (as it seems they are doing). They did the GT12, now rumors suggest they ll do a GT8, I think this make sense as, so far, each model is inspired by a different race-car (the GT12 being the most powerful based on the GT3 category and the GT8 being the most technical and racing in the, more well known Endurance champ, incl Le Mans 24hrs).
Yep, as I say it was;t to knock the cars, but for those talking about the similarities to GTE,etc, it is much more as you say in the spirit than a technical similarity.

Jon39

12,782 posts

142 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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We are all awaiting the official announcement of the GT8. Do we know that will be the name? Probably best not to call it Vantage WEC, because Porsche won that Championship so they might get touchy again.

Just a little thinking (guessing) out loud.

When the GT3 was announced (later named GT12), a maximum production of 100 was confirmed.
They seemed to sell out so quickly, that perhaps AML might have wished they had chosen a number higher than 100.

All the identical GT12 carbon body panels could now be used again, maybe even at lower unit cost.
Therefore, I wonder if the GT8 might have identical appearance to the GT12.

arj550, you may have another opportunity to buy.



SFO

5,162 posts

182 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Jon39 said:
Therefore, I wonder if the GT8 might have identical appearance to the GT12.
that would delight GT12 owners ...

FFM

392 posts

100 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Jon39 said:
We are all awaiting the official announcement of the GT8. Do we know that will be the name? Probably best not to call it Vantage WEC, because Porsche won that Championship so they might get touchy again.

Just a little thinking (guessing) out loud.

When the GT3 was announced (later named GT12), a maximum production of 100 was confirmed.
They seemed to sell out so quickly, that perhaps AML might have wished they had chosen a number higher than 100.

All the identical GT12 carbon body panels could now be used again, maybe even at lower unit cost.
Therefore, I wonder if the GT8 might have identical appearance to the GT12.

arj550, you may have another opportunity to buy.
highly likely not identical, but surely the same "road-presence". Guess the difference will be in the rear diffuser, front splitter, aero and maybe the component from the front-wheel-arches to the door?

V8Staffie

158 posts

118 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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On the invite to preview its states limited edition Vantage GT8
But remember the invite for the GT12 once said GT3?
150 will be sold with 3 prototypes currently doing the rounds so 153 will be released.
Roll on April Beaulieu, Car spec and Car Nation in Brighton!
What can go wrong......

Flugplatz

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1,952 posts

244 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Booked in for first viewing at factory for next Thursday smile

I asked if it was a GT12 with a V8 and it is not.
No further info available apart from choice of manual or paddles and optional rear wing.

I am trying to talk my pal into the manual but he's having none of it !!!!

F355spider

1,395 posts

230 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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My deposit paid, pleased to have confirmed allocation. I'll update this thread as the project is officially unveilled.

FFM

392 posts

100 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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V8Staffie said:
On the invite to preview its states limited edition Vantage GT8
But remember the invite for the GT12 once said GT3?
150 will be sold with 3 prototypes currently doing the rounds so 153 will be released.
Roll on April Beaulieu, Car spec and Car Nation in Brighton!
What can go wrong......
So do you think we will see one of these in few days at AM? I thought it would be presented only in clay or something like that + lot of details on the car specs/tech etc.


Seems we are now quite a few from PH to have an allocation

V8Staffie

158 posts

118 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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FFM said:
V8Staffie said:
On the invite to preview its states limited edition Vantage GT8
But remember the invite for the GT12 once said GT3?
150 will be sold with 3 prototypes currently doing the rounds so 153 will be released.
Roll on April Beaulieu, Car spec and Car Nation in Brighton!
What can go wrong......
So do you think we will see one of these in few days at AM? I thought it would be presented only in clay or something like that + lot of details on the car specs/tech etc.


Seems we are now quite a few from PH to have an allocation
With the launch only a few weeks away I can't see them using a clay model for that. Maybe my expectations are getting ahead of me though! Not long until Silverstone WEC when it will be officially launched. I wonder how many will be left by then?