The GT8! Carbon fibre bodied £200K 440BHP 7 Speed V8.
Discussion
RobDown said:
But as an aside if buying a car was purely a question of value we'd probably not be in the Aston Martin forum 
...also we would not spend more than 10k for a car itself, more than £100 for a watch and so on..No doubt the marketing guys at AM knows what they are doing. As long as they are not diluting the brand by:
- introducing too many special cars in the same sub-segment (i.e. I don't consider a V12 Zagato to overlap with the GT8/12, nor the Hypercar/Vulcan),
- and/or increasing the available supply for each specials like the competitors do (i.e. calling a GT3RS/458Speciale "limited editions" / "limited-available" cars is a joke in itself)
We will be still relatively few out there with very special toys.
Also, let's not forget: With more cars being produced, the marginal cost of developing new features diminishes significantly for each car.... at the price of the car's perceived rarity/specialness. That's the trade-off (keep in mind that nobody likes to sell a product at a loss).
High-level analysis:
Say a GT3RS or a 458Speciale is priced x1.5 times the basic Carrera/458Italia, this compares to approx. x2/2.5 of the GT8.
On the other hand, the production ratio of GT8s to GT3RS/Speciales is about 1:16 (assuming c.a. 2,500 GT3RSs/Speciales being produced)
Inspirine said:
Don't worry guys this is just a marketing game.
Sounds like it's working well!
Let's lay back and look at facts.
What is that GT8 all about?
Take a N430. Start by doubling the price and call it limited track oriented car.
1-Claim more power.
What a joke. Moving from 436 to 446 that's a performance indeed! Justifying doubling the initial price?
2-Claim weight savings
If you analyse the weight saving, most of it come from fancy expensive options that are not part of the double price initial package.
I am talking about the significant savings that brings the magnesium wheels, titanium exhaust, polycarbonate windows and CF roof. All costly options, not in the package.
Where is the weight savings frome the chassis? Or anything structural? Or interior? Alcantara versus leather?
Maybe a bit of CF here and here and job done. Double the price! Well done AM. Even the central console looks standard. At least the GT12 had something special inside as a console.
3-Claim similar look to GTE
Cost nothing as an investment to AM quite the opposite! Client pay extra to get expensive halo colors.
4- Claim track oriented
Roll cage not part of standard options list. No harness available. Have you ever seen a Track oriented car without harness?
So at the end of the day, if you want a proper spec car, all distinctive things that make that car appealing are all in the options list.
If you want a proper configured GT8 you need to triple the price of a N430.
Not sure it's worth the money.
You can get better cars for 250 k.
And better looking car as well as for the moment, all the GT8 configured car I have seen so far including the ones on that thread look more as aftermarket bad taste tuning especially the ones with color accents.
I would be embarrased on track with such a slow car for the money.
I would be embarrassed on road with such a tuning looking car.
But it's all marketing.
That car costed hardly nothing as development.
This is sold out and at triple price by comparison with regular AM Vantage.
Well done AM.
Please hate me.
This model was never about value for money, but a specialty vehicle at the end of the current Vantage run. Your right there are much better cars out there for the money, the V12S manual comes to mind. But the customers buying these cars already know that, but maybe down the road some day these models will hold more value that a run of the mill Vantage. It is unfortunate Aston could never get more out the the V8 power wise, maybe it was not possible or maybe it was not worth the effort, others can answer that better that I can. And maybe they wouldn't want a higher HP V8 eating into V12 sales either.Sounds like it's working well!
Let's lay back and look at facts.
What is that GT8 all about?
Take a N430. Start by doubling the price and call it limited track oriented car.
1-Claim more power.
What a joke. Moving from 436 to 446 that's a performance indeed! Justifying doubling the initial price?
2-Claim weight savings
If you analyse the weight saving, most of it come from fancy expensive options that are not part of the double price initial package.
I am talking about the significant savings that brings the magnesium wheels, titanium exhaust, polycarbonate windows and CF roof. All costly options, not in the package.
Where is the weight savings frome the chassis? Or anything structural? Or interior? Alcantara versus leather?
Maybe a bit of CF here and here and job done. Double the price! Well done AM. Even the central console looks standard. At least the GT12 had something special inside as a console.
3-Claim similar look to GTE
Cost nothing as an investment to AM quite the opposite! Client pay extra to get expensive halo colors.
4- Claim track oriented
Roll cage not part of standard options list. No harness available. Have you ever seen a Track oriented car without harness?
So at the end of the day, if you want a proper spec car, all distinctive things that make that car appealing are all in the options list.
If you want a proper configured GT8 you need to triple the price of a N430.
Not sure it's worth the money.
You can get better cars for 250 k.
And better looking car as well as for the moment, all the GT8 configured car I have seen so far including the ones on that thread look more as aftermarket bad taste tuning especially the ones with color accents.
I would be embarrased on track with such a slow car for the money.
I would be embarrassed on road with such a tuning looking car.
But it's all marketing.
That car costed hardly nothing as development.
This is sold out and at triple price by comparison with regular AM Vantage.
Well done AM.
Please hate me.
Edited by Inspirine on Friday 3rd June 09:37
alscar said:
Adam , I think he wanted to and had his deposit down but the dealer couldn't get him one.
So " understandably " he's now a bit upset.
I am going to tell you the truth.So " understandably " he's now a bit upset.
Yes I had got a deposit down (30k euro) and yes I had an allocation confirmed from AM.
However had a battle with local AM dealer around price in the European market that are 15% higher than they are in UK.
For no reason, as this is not the case for other AM only the GT8 as far as I know.
AM did not like I dared challenge their money conversion on local price list.
Take it at silly europran price or leave it.
On top of that I realised that all fancy stuff around that car were optional, very costly, but free in my other cars, like my GT3 RS.
I said to myself I was fooled by AM.
Guess what? I left it.
I felt like a pigeon to buy such a slow car at over 300k Euro with the options I wanted to tick. With limited potential to flip it. Who is going to buy such a car for over 300 k?
One more for you guys.
Enjoy.
See you in Goodwood or Gumball, I have other cars to enjoy, quicker, cheaper, and most probably good value in the future as well.
I love AM. I have to pleasure to own and enjoy other supercars but AM is something special.
I have been invited by AM corporate in Le Mans as my company is an AMR sponsor.
This was my dream to own one.
But they tried to screw me, selling me a rebadged N430 for the triple of the price.
Go f
k AM for now.Inspirine, Ignoring exchange rates and the fact some of your words conflict ( the flip and the love part ) at least you COULD have bought one. Good luck trying to get one of the new GT3's when they come out or even more difficult one of the RS models next year - not that will be a manual anyway. Yes they will be a lot cheaper but the OPC''s and the flippers have made it a complete lottery as to whether you can get one. No one has ever said an Aston is necessarily the logical choice with most being bought with the heart not head.
What are you going to buy instead ?
What are you going to buy instead ?
RobDown said:
It's a shame they're using such a poor exchange rate, was there an option to buy in sterling and do the conversion yourself?
I asked AM to get the delivery of my car in UK at UK price knowing that I had an allocation secured.Turned down. (by AM Europe run from Germany for some reason).
I was told it is difficult-to-impossible to get UK spec GT8 from Continental Europe dealers, and viceversa. I tried to find an allocation for a friend of mine back in April after all the UK allocation were sold, but before the GT8's offiical release. Thus, I approached an Italian dealer asking for a RHD/UK Spec car, but apparently they could have only dealt with LHDs (and I think only 1 or 2 were left un-allocated, at that time).
I guess this is to maintain the balance between RHDs and LHDs in the market, as per the original AM plans
I guess this is to maintain the balance between RHDs and LHDs in the market, as per the original AM plans
Edited by FFM on Saturday 4th June 13:56
alscar said:
Inspirine, Ignoring exchange rates and the fact some of your words conflict ( the flip and the love part ) at least you COULD have bought one. Good luck trying to get one of the new GT3's when they come out or even more difficult one of the RS models next year - not that will be a manual anyway. Yes they will be a lot cheaper but the OPC''s and the flippers have made it a complete lottery as to whether you can get one. No one has ever said an Aston is necessarily the logical choice with most being bought with the heart not head.
What are you going to buy instead ?
I will fire the engine of my SLS is I want to hear a loud powerfull V8, With all love and respect I have for AM, I don't think the GT8 could do any better on the sound side.What are you going to buy instead ?
I will track my GT3 RS and I will certainly be way quicker than any GT8 if I ever see one on track.
So I think I won't buy anything else for now.
Around the flipping side of thing, my idea is not buy and flip immediately. I buy car, enjoy them and if I see something more exciting or good market conditions I trade it.
But basic common sense is just suggesting that buying upfront a car 15% higher than everybody else is not a good start!
Edited by Inspirine on Sunday 5th June 11:57
Edited by Inspirine on Sunday 5th June 12:15
RobDown said:
Has anyone got any thoughts on the steering wheel tech pack? Its not really a cost issue (only £295 i think) but my gut instinct is the alcantara steering wheel without the extra buttons will look better - or have i missed something?
Hi, i went for the steering wheel without the tech pack. I have always disliked the way the buttons are placed with Astons and i think without tech pack on a GT8 suits the car much more than with.Edited by RobDown on Friday 10th June 15:09
AdamV12V said:
I assume you loose the cruise control if you don't get the tech pack? I cant see how else you could control it...
Rob - why did you take down that link you briefly posted earlier? It sounded fab!!!
I noticed FFM had already put it up on page 23. The sound at the end is lovelyRob - why did you take down that link you briefly posted earlier? It sounded fab!!!
I am not going for the tech pack, I agree with you, the steering wheel looks cleaner without and I also think it suit more the character of the car to go without, particularly if you chose the 3 pedals (I think someone else here pointed this out and also received a similar feedback from AM Works).
On my side, I am still undecided re:
700w Audio vs standard (?)
CF mirrors vs leave it in AM Racing green (more tempeted by the latter)
Glass vs plexi on the console (?)
On my side, I am still undecided re:
700w Audio vs standard (?)
CF mirrors vs leave it in AM Racing green (more tempeted by the latter)
Glass vs plexi on the console (?)
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