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Jon, to me, the current engines qualify as Aston Martin engines. The V12 was derived from the Ford V6, but it has only ever been used in Aston Martins -- nothing else. The V8, while derived from the Jag engine, is entirely bespoke to Aston. It uses its own unique block, crank, conrods, pistons, rings, bearings, heads, valves, cams, etc. -- everything is bespoke to Aston Martin. No, neither is a clean-sheet engine as were the Tadek Marek straight-6 and V8, but to me, the current engines are Aston engines. In stark contrast, if the next engine is as we've been led to believe, it is an AMG engine. Period. Same block, crank, heads, pistons, etc. Identical in every way to the AMG engine. If it has a different exhaust and intake, so what -- putting a Quicksilver exhaust on your car doesn't mean you now have a Quicksilver engine.
I don't know where to draw the line, but to me, if the engine itself is identical to the AMG engine, then it is an AMG engine. I am fully aware that money is tight, but this goes to the very core and credibility of Aston Martin. For me it's an absolute deal breaker. At least give it bespoke heads, or a crank with perhaps a shorter stroke, something real to give at least an argument for being as Aston engine.
Now that we're seriously off topic: About the election... Shameful. These two are absolutely not the best we could find, and IMO they're among the very worst. Truly, truly sad, whichever way it turns out.
I don't know where to draw the line, but to me, if the engine itself is identical to the AMG engine, then it is an AMG engine. I am fully aware that money is tight, but this goes to the very core and credibility of Aston Martin. For me it's an absolute deal breaker. At least give it bespoke heads, or a crank with perhaps a shorter stroke, something real to give at least an argument for being as Aston engine.
Now that we're seriously off topic: About the election... Shameful. These two are absolutely not the best we could find, and IMO they're among the very worst. Truly, truly sad, whichever way it turns out.
Apologies for bringing this thread back to colours again but I'm looking for some help from the collective.
Has anybody seen Cherry Tree or Scintilla Silver in the flesh? What about Satin Scintilla Silver, seems like there are no photos of this anywhere? Any decent quality photos?
Which of the reds is the most vivid, which is the reddest, the most like Rosso Corsa but metallic?
Does anybody know what colour this is http://www.autogespot.com/aston-martin-v12-vantage...
Ultramarine black looks like it is almost navy in the few photos I can find. I like it but worried it's too blue.
I'd like to use red carbon but there's very few colours it goes with as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to finalise my spec but I'm 4000 miles from the dealer and 1000 miles from the nearest dealer so not easy. Thanks for any help.
cheers,
Has anybody seen Cherry Tree or Scintilla Silver in the flesh? What about Satin Scintilla Silver, seems like there are no photos of this anywhere? Any decent quality photos?
Which of the reds is the most vivid, which is the reddest, the most like Rosso Corsa but metallic?
Does anybody know what colour this is http://www.autogespot.com/aston-martin-v12-vantage...
Ultramarine black looks like it is almost navy in the few photos I can find. I like it but worried it's too blue.
I'd like to use red carbon but there's very few colours it goes with as far as I can tell.
I'm trying to finalise my spec but I'm 4000 miles from the dealer and 1000 miles from the nearest dealer so not easy. Thanks for any help.
cheers,
C997 said:
Does anybody know what colour this is http://www.autogespot.com/aston-martin-v12-vantage...
I think that is Amethyst Red but it could just be Amethyst PurpleC997 said:
Apologies for bringing this thread back to colours again but I'm looking for some help from the collective.
Has anybody seen Cherry Tree or Scintilla Silver in the flesh? What about Satin Scintilla Silver, seems like there are no photos of this anywhere? Any decent quality photos?
I have never seen Cherry Tree, but I have seen Scintilla and it is stunning. Was my no1 choice of silvers. It has a REALLY heavy flake, almost unlike any other paint I have seen and colour tone wise is similar to Tungsten Silver. I believe the DB11 colour Magnetic Silver has the same amount of flake but it has the colour tone of Meteorite Silver. Have a google for V12 Zagato's in silver - as Scintilla was one of the special Zag colours.Has anybody seen Cherry Tree or Scintilla Silver in the flesh? What about Satin Scintilla Silver, seems like there are no photos of this anywhere? Any decent quality photos?
This is Scintilla
C997 said:
Which of the reds is the most vivid, which is the reddest, the most like Rosso Corsa but metallic?
Maybe try Volcano Red, which is a stunning metallic bright red and a popular colour, but its not quite as "red" as Rosso Corsa.Maybe the new Vanquish Zagato special colour "Lava Red" is redder? - http://www.astonmartinzagato.com/five-exclusive-co...
C997 said:
Does anybody know what colour this is http://www.autogespot.com/aston-martin-v12-vantage...
Yup, Amethyst Red - here is a V12VR previously for sale in that colour http://www.bramley.com/carsales/details/Aston-Mart...Have a read of my V12VS Colour Spec thread - lots of unusual colour suggestions with pictures on there!
C997 said:
Ultramarine black looks like it is almost navy in the few photos I can find. I like it but worried it's too blue.
I have seen Ultramarine and you need not worry about it looking too blue. It looks just black is most lights, but occasionally shimmers dark blue. Any pics that make it look Navy are just a trick of the camera I would think. Its very nice, similar to Storm Black - see next response.This is Ultramarine:
C997 said:
I'd like to use red carbon but there's very few colours it goes with as far as I can tell.
What about Storm Black to tie in with the red carbon? Its like Ultramarine Black but the flake is red not blue. There is a black/red carbon GT12 on autogespot if you look.SFO said:
Wow, that's quite a combo. I do love the red CF, and it goes great with black, but some of the other features on that car would not be for me. For instance the wheels, the exhaust, the red speaker grilles, and the inscription on the centre console trinket tray - what does that actually say?I do like the alcantara centre console / dash, but then its similar to what I've ordered although the mirror image. I love the red wings badge too on that car but I thought they were exclusively for Zagatos!
Gents,
Firstly thanks for the replies, some research to be done tonight. Adam thanks very much especially, you've been through this pain yourself so going through it again is much appreciated.
The black GT12 with the red carbon is nice, as is the car on the link posted by SFO, that's definitely a contender. The red painted side panel on the GT12 distracts my eye a lot but it's a stunning car.
Amethyst Red is lovely as is Amethyst Violet but my old V8V was AV so not sure I'd do that again. The Amethyst Red is just different enough. Lava Red isn't available, it's reserved for the Zagatos. I'll check out Volcano red though. Red Lion is another red option, it's as rare as Cherry Tree it seems.
Tungsten silver is really nice so if Scintilla is similar then that sounds like it would go well with red carbon. I'm going roadster so need to think roof colour as well. Magnetic Silver on that DB11 is stunning.
Ultramarine sounds like the BMW carbon black, it had a blue flake through it if I remember correctly from E46 M3 days. Storm back with a red flake is a good shout. I quite like the thought of the blue flake and the red carbon.
The list is narrowing...thanks again for the help.
cheers,
Firstly thanks for the replies, some research to be done tonight. Adam thanks very much especially, you've been through this pain yourself so going through it again is much appreciated.
The black GT12 with the red carbon is nice, as is the car on the link posted by SFO, that's definitely a contender. The red painted side panel on the GT12 distracts my eye a lot but it's a stunning car.
Amethyst Red is lovely as is Amethyst Violet but my old V8V was AV so not sure I'd do that again. The Amethyst Red is just different enough. Lava Red isn't available, it's reserved for the Zagatos. I'll check out Volcano red though. Red Lion is another red option, it's as rare as Cherry Tree it seems.
Tungsten silver is really nice so if Scintilla is similar then that sounds like it would go well with red carbon. I'm going roadster so need to think roof colour as well. Magnetic Silver on that DB11 is stunning.
Ultramarine sounds like the BMW carbon black, it had a blue flake through it if I remember correctly from E46 M3 days. Storm back with a red flake is a good shout. I quite like the thought of the blue flake and the red carbon.
The list is narrowing...thanks again for the help.
cheers,
RobDown said:
Would cherry tree be the same as the heritage paint colour Dark Cherry? I had thought about that on the gt8
A new one for me, but a quick google shows that this is cherry tree http://astonmartins.com/car/cygnet-q/
Edit - colour confirmed as it is also on the AM Q Colour Pallet page https://www.astonmartin.com/en/q-by-aston-martin#c...
Edited by AdamV12V on Friday 11th November 14:02
C997 said:
Ultramarine sounds like the BMW carbon black, it had a blue flake through it if I remember correctly from E46 M3 days.
Someone who saw my car in the flesh said this though I am not familiar with the BMW colour myself. Ultramarine looks mostly black outside, mostly blue under showroom lighting. In some outside light conditions it looks like a flat blue (in a nice way) and when the sun shines it sparkles blue. It holds a lot of interest but then so do most Aston colours. Thanks again gents!
Gibbon, really like the Red Lion and I'd say you've done a good job getting the colour, it's very similar to the one photo I have of it and that was taken outside in natural light. ps. It's not JUST anything, it's an Aston Martin ;-)
Cherry tree is really nice. Brave choice but that wouldn't bother me. It's a more bold version of Amethyst Red I suppose.
Ultramarine sounds better the more I think about it. Thanks Hashluck.
SFO, you're spot on about the lighter colours. Any of the light silvers or china grey would look great with the red contrast.
I can see a pattern here, the colours that work with red carbon are my least favoured paint colours and my favoured paint colours don't work with red carbon. Looks like a compromise is in order.
cheers,
Gibbon, really like the Red Lion and I'd say you've done a good job getting the colour, it's very similar to the one photo I have of it and that was taken outside in natural light. ps. It's not JUST anything, it's an Aston Martin ;-)
Cherry tree is really nice. Brave choice but that wouldn't bother me. It's a more bold version of Amethyst Red I suppose.
Ultramarine sounds better the more I think about it. Thanks Hashluck.
SFO, you're spot on about the lighter colours. Any of the light silvers or china grey would look great with the red contrast.
I can see a pattern here, the colours that work with red carbon are my least favoured paint colours and my favoured paint colours don't work with red carbon. Looks like a compromise is in order.
cheers,
Hi. Have you considered the latest iteration of storm black. There is a new paint code attached to the latest version from Q and the red metal flake would sound a great partner with red carbon. I have the storm black with normal black carbon but thought about changing over to red. Anyway just a thought in the mix, sorry if this colour has already been covered.
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