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I find the V12S amazingly grippy on wet surfaces but the standard tyre is Pzero not Corsas... no prizes for guessing why.
Did the PDC at Millbrook in summer in a V12S with the corsas fitted and in torrential rain and again was amazed how grippy it was, but then the surfaces are more predictable (as is "traffic")!
The instructor commented that the only times the pros have had "moments" has been with corsas in the wet.
Did the PDC at Millbrook in summer in a V12S with the corsas fitted and in torrential rain and again was amazed how grippy it was, but then the surfaces are more predictable (as is "traffic")!
The instructor commented that the only times the pros have had "moments" has been with corsas in the wet.
Flugplatz said:
Dont fit Corsas now. Winter is the time for standard P Zero's.
The difference is night and day.
Or better still, the new Michelin PS4's?The difference is night and day.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilo...
divetheworld said:
Or better still, the new Michelin PS4's?
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilo...
Bit O/T sorry: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilo...
Look good on paper - no wet lap time though. PSS seemed to excel in the dry only according to EVO. Were then mostly down the bottom of the tables. Just put 4 Eagle F1 asymmetric 3's on the DD as both the PSS on it punctured and killed themselves within 12m. These ones are made in Poland and feel VERY different to the previous - it feels sloppy and wallowy compared to asymmetric 2's
AMDBSVNick said:
I'm not and nor am I a nosey f
ker.
I guess you're the type that enjoys a good gawp at the accident on the roadside.
Bit harsh. When there is an accident involving my car under these circumstances I don't think it is out of order to wonder what happened. I don't need to know if the driver had a heart attack or had downed a bottle of claret but if a tyre burst, lost grip, brakes failed etc then that's interesting and useful information for an owner. ker.I guess you're the type that enjoys a good gawp at the accident on the roadside.
Bobajobbob said:
AMDBSVNick said:
I'm not and nor am I a nosey fker. I guess you're the type that enjoys a good gawp at the accident on the roadside.
Bit harsh. <etc.> ker. I guess you're the type that enjoys a good gawp at the accident on the roadside. RichB said:
ut sadly predictable on Pistonheads these days. When I was a gliding instructor I would always read the accident reports the monthly S&G mag (Sailplane & Gliding). Not in a ghoulish way but because I wanted to understand the cause of each accident and remember not to do something similar. makes sense to me to take an interest in an unexplained incident when a car is not doing anything odd.
Rich,You are missing my point. I'm absolutely certain S&G will report "facts".
What chance our gutter press doing the same, especially when an Aston Martin is involved?
Nick
AMDBSVNick said:
Rich, You are missing my point. I'm absolutely certain S&G will report "facts". What chance our gutter press doing the same, especially when an Aston Martin is involved? Nick
OK, yes quite probably... Anyway, according to a reliable Aston Martin owner who was there, it was wet and the car aquaplaned at the end of its high speed run.AMDBSVNick said:
Rich,
You are missing my point. I'm absolutely certain S&G will report "facts".
What chance our gutter press doing the same, especially when an Aston Martin is involved?
Nick
Your original point was that anyone with an interest in the cause of the accident should "mind their own business".. or, to put it your way be less of a "nosey fYou are missing my point. I'm absolutely certain S&G will report "facts".
What chance our gutter press doing the same, especially when an Aston Martin is involved?
Nick
ker". Now you say it's fine to be intrigued, and your true concern is related to misrepresentation of beloved AM by the terrible press.I hope you hold a better line on the road than you do on the page.
RichB said:
Bobajobbob said:
AMDBSVNick said:
I'm not and nor am I a nosey fker. I guess you're the type that enjoys a good gawp at the accident on the roadside.
Bit harsh. <etc.> ker. I guess you're the type that enjoys a good gawp at the accident on the roadside. Nick its not unreasonable for an owner to want to know why a crash occurred, whether that be driver error, poor tyre choice or mechanical failure.
I wish the injured party a rapid recovery but if the injuries detailed here are correct it will be somewhat slower.
Hope all concerned a speedy recovery.
I was going to ask did anyone know what exactly happened, but I don't think I will.....
Someone mentioned earlier about coming off the power whilst the backend was moving on the motorway and they came off the power... Not sure what your V8/12Vs are like but in a Cerbera that might put you in a fast slide if you snap off the throttle on a light flywheel arrangement and high compression, a bit like pulling on the handbrake.... I'm no 'racing driver' but removing power by dipping the clutch and steering out of it works for me....
I was going to ask did anyone know what exactly happened, but I don't think I will.....
Someone mentioned earlier about coming off the power whilst the backend was moving on the motorway and they came off the power... Not sure what your V8/12Vs are like but in a Cerbera that might put you in a fast slide if you snap off the throttle on a light flywheel arrangement and high compression, a bit like pulling on the handbrake.... I'm no 'racing driver' but removing power by dipping the clutch and steering out of it works for me....
The best thing to do if the systems are engaged is to keep pointing in the direction you want to go and let the TC do it's business. It's very effective, as those that have done the PDC will testify. Clearly there's a limit to what it can recover but I think for normal driving it's a life saving system. Certainly helped 3 or 4 of us out a couple of weeks ago on a rainy run out. Coming off a roundabout and accelerating, we all had a movement at exactly the same spot, obviously something on the road. I was so busy chuckling at Adam ahead of me fishtailing down the road......the next thing I knew I was doing the same!
AMDBSVNick said:
And let's assume the report provided by Rich is accurate which I suggest it is.
What have we all learned from knowing the precise details of this incident?
Well.. we still don't know the _precise_ details.What have we all learned from knowing the precise details of this incident?
For example, reports suggest, fairly consistently, that the passenger needed to be cut from the wreckage. Presumably that means the car hit the grass and rolled, or slid into some stationary object, passenger side first.
My point is that at an airfield, or race-track, aquaplaning through a corner is often uneventful. In this case, not so much.
I learned plenty here though, thanks
Thanks to nameless other folk for help with guidance, offline.
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