Newbie with some questions V8V vs. V8Vs
Discussion
hashluck said:
Ultramarine Black goes from looking very black on a cloudy day to very blue under showroom lighting.
In some lights the blue looks almost like a flat paint (and by that I mean it looks good, different). When the sun shines it really comes alive and sparkles
It is overall more (dark) blue than black. I love it!
Sounds great and exactly what I had hoped for! Thanks!In some lights the blue looks almost like a flat paint (and by that I mean it looks good, different). When the sun shines it really comes alive and sparkles
It is overall more (dark) blue than black. I love it!
dasadrew said:
Interesting. The Aston Martin sites above (click on TECHNICAL) show that steering, brakes and wheels are identical between S and non-S. It doesn't quote the build year of the Vanatges described, but the interior picks show the MY2016 centre console touch switches. It actually does look like the 2016 models all got the 'S' steering, brakes and tyres.
Sorry, in trying to be more clear there, i've muddied the waters. What i meant, is they were the changes for the 2011 vantage s. From 2012 the standard vantage had all the changes as standard, or for the superficial stuff it could be optioned anyway, apart from the 's' stitching and the 10hp airbox.Any clearer?
My long winded point, is they are incredibly similar, particularly when you take into account specific options, i.e. a vantage S on comfort suspension versus a standard vantage on sports suspension etc.
So focus on the specific car, not the badge in my opinion.
gibbon said:
What i meant, is they were the changes for the 2011 vantage s. From 2012 the standard vantage had all the changes as standard, or for the superficial stuff it could be optioned anyway, apart from the 's' stitching and the 10hp airbox.
This is correct. Mechanically they are pretty much identical.
But you will find very few non 'S' cars with the CF splitter and diffuser optioned and they are so much nicer than the standard plastic items. And the S interior is a nicer place to be.
jj525 said:
And the spec sheet you'll notice there is a significant difference in weight between the S and non-S. this is primarily due to aluminum suspension components in the ass
Is that not down to the SSII gearbox that the original S came with which saved about 25kg? I didnt think there was any material suspension differences between models. Happy to be corrected though.gibbon said:
Is that not down to the SSII gearbox that the original S came with which saved about 25kg? I didnt think there was any material suspension differences between models. Happy to be corrected though.
The holy book states on page 106 24kg less for SSII compared to SSI which contributes to the overall lower weight of 20kg compared to the standard V8V...With regard to the mentioned Carbon pieces: they all can be fitted any time IMHO, so that shouldn't be the most important point although it will be quite expensive.
Hi. Drew
Which car do you feel more comfortable with, presume you have driven both. We can all go on stating facts and figures but to be honest it will and can only be the decision which your heart and head tells you to do.
You are spending a chunk of hard earned money.... In my experience go with the heart and buy the one you feel is right!
Looking forward to seeing the photos.
Ian. 😀
Which car do you feel more comfortable with, presume you have driven both. We can all go on stating facts and figures but to be honest it will and can only be the decision which your heart and head tells you to do.
You are spending a chunk of hard earned money.... In my experience go with the heart and buy the one you feel is right!
Looking forward to seeing the photos.
Ian. 😀
Weight difference is due to the gearbox. 2012.25 non-S looks like an S, except that the splitter is not carbon fiber as standard (never has the carbon been standard on the non-S). I prefer the stitching design on the non-S interior, but otherwise the interiors are nearly identical. Take a look and a drive in each -- you'll know what to do.
As the owner of a manual 2014MY V8VS (SP10), the S would definitely be my preference for the following reasons:
1. As has already been stated the carbon fibre splitter & diffuser are much nicer than the plastic ones. Make sure you see both before deciding. Yes, you can retrofit carbon ones but it would be very expensive so why would you when you have the choice on original purchase?
2. For me the exhaust note is much better on the S. Reading the link you attached is interesting as I had always thought that it sounded so much better on the overrun than my old 2009MY 4.7 and indeed, they have engineered that deliberately. It's all very well saying that you can pull fuse 15 on the standard exhaust but you'd do that on the S too so that doesn't get you to the same place. Yes, you can retrofit the sports exhaust but why would you when you can get it "free"?
3. Drive cars with both Sport and Comfort suspension and decide which you prefer. Comfort will be rare on an S and Sport will be rare on a standard V8 so that will make your decision easier.
4. Have you driven a manual one rather than sportshift? Try both unless you wouldn't consider manual.
5. Have you tried the Lightweight seats? Rare on an S but vanishingly rare on a standard V8. Now I have them I wouldn't go back.
6. Have you considered a 3 year old V12V? ......................
1. As has already been stated the carbon fibre splitter & diffuser are much nicer than the plastic ones. Make sure you see both before deciding. Yes, you can retrofit carbon ones but it would be very expensive so why would you when you have the choice on original purchase?
2. For me the exhaust note is much better on the S. Reading the link you attached is interesting as I had always thought that it sounded so much better on the overrun than my old 2009MY 4.7 and indeed, they have engineered that deliberately. It's all very well saying that you can pull fuse 15 on the standard exhaust but you'd do that on the S too so that doesn't get you to the same place. Yes, you can retrofit the sports exhaust but why would you when you can get it "free"?
3. Drive cars with both Sport and Comfort suspension and decide which you prefer. Comfort will be rare on an S and Sport will be rare on a standard V8 so that will make your decision easier.
4. Have you driven a manual one rather than sportshift? Try both unless you wouldn't consider manual.
5. Have you tried the Lightweight seats? Rare on an S but vanishingly rare on a standard V8. Now I have them I wouldn't go back.
6. Have you considered a 3 year old V12V? ......................
I wonder what the catch is... why would a dealer sell a V8VS for less than a V8V? There has to be a major difference in options, milage, etc. MY is apparently the same.
The best explanation would be different/unusual colors but as they are the same and the difference is only the leather (grey vs. black and I'm sure black sell's better and that's again the S), it has to be something else. There is no free lunch.
The best explanation would be different/unusual colors but as they are the same and the difference is only the leather (grey vs. black and I'm sure black sell's better and that's again the S), it has to be something else. There is no free lunch.
Thanks again for all of the replies and the enthusiasm which exudes from them!
Aston Martins aren't exactly flooding the German market and the dealers themselves are few and far apart. I must admit to having boxes to tick which aren't the traditional "supercar" ones which might be expected. The biggest drawback is that I'm not in to 'metal' coloured cars (i.e. anything from silver to dark grey). As must be clear, this radically reduces the number of Aston Martin candidates! If I then add my trademark colour (blue) to the equation (Yes, my F348 was blue and it took ages to find it!) then we get a feeling for the number of choices.
The two cars which are in the gunsights are in Hamburg and Stuttgart. That's the equivalent of Plymouth and Edinburgh. Dealers close at midday on Saturday for the weekend and I'm unfortunately tied to a desk Mo-Fr for a few more months. (The Vantage is a sort of early retirement prezzie to myself!)
If I add to that that the CFO doen't want to sit in a car with Rallye Stripes, then that escludes a few N430 Sports Pack Astons which would otherwise be on the cards.
The pre-owned prices in Germany are all over the place; dealers have 0km cars on their forecourts for a year, some are trying to get rid of them and reducing the price every two weeks, some are still advertising at list. Some movement has just started as the dealers receive their MY 2017 demonstrators, and Aston Martin themselves seem to have just released a batch of demonstrators to the dealers. Interestingly, they sometimes come on a UK plate with previous owner Gaydon UK although German spec. The spread of prices reflects this rarity and geography and can't really be related to hidden bad news. At the moment, there are dealers who want to move their forecourt and others without a free cash flow problem who are willing to sit it out.
I am inherently a manual driver and they're very rare here. However, after the drive in the S Sportshift I'm really taken by it. Like I said, my days of thrashing it out on the Österreichring or A1 Ring are behind me. To be frank, if I were looking for those sort of wheels I'd probably have been moving in the direction of an R8 or 911. (OK, I've got the soap ready and will wash my mouth out as soon as I've finished typing).
Aston Martin is unashamedly for me style, elegance, kudos and a bit of British understatement without side intakes and rear wings.
I feel from the replies that I won't be disappointed with a non 'S', but I'm keeping all searches open!
Cheers
Drew
Aston Martins aren't exactly flooding the German market and the dealers themselves are few and far apart. I must admit to having boxes to tick which aren't the traditional "supercar" ones which might be expected. The biggest drawback is that I'm not in to 'metal' coloured cars (i.e. anything from silver to dark grey). As must be clear, this radically reduces the number of Aston Martin candidates! If I then add my trademark colour (blue) to the equation (Yes, my F348 was blue and it took ages to find it!) then we get a feeling for the number of choices.
The two cars which are in the gunsights are in Hamburg and Stuttgart. That's the equivalent of Plymouth and Edinburgh. Dealers close at midday on Saturday for the weekend and I'm unfortunately tied to a desk Mo-Fr for a few more months. (The Vantage is a sort of early retirement prezzie to myself!)
If I add to that that the CFO doen't want to sit in a car with Rallye Stripes, then that escludes a few N430 Sports Pack Astons which would otherwise be on the cards.
The pre-owned prices in Germany are all over the place; dealers have 0km cars on their forecourts for a year, some are trying to get rid of them and reducing the price every two weeks, some are still advertising at list. Some movement has just started as the dealers receive their MY 2017 demonstrators, and Aston Martin themselves seem to have just released a batch of demonstrators to the dealers. Interestingly, they sometimes come on a UK plate with previous owner Gaydon UK although German spec. The spread of prices reflects this rarity and geography and can't really be related to hidden bad news. At the moment, there are dealers who want to move their forecourt and others without a free cash flow problem who are willing to sit it out.
I am inherently a manual driver and they're very rare here. However, after the drive in the S Sportshift I'm really taken by it. Like I said, my days of thrashing it out on the Österreichring or A1 Ring are behind me. To be frank, if I were looking for those sort of wheels I'd probably have been moving in the direction of an R8 or 911. (OK, I've got the soap ready and will wash my mouth out as soon as I've finished typing).
Aston Martin is unashamedly for me style, elegance, kudos and a bit of British understatement without side intakes and rear wings.
I feel from the replies that I won't be disappointed with a non 'S', but I'm keeping all searches open!
Cheers
Drew
It took me ages to find any manual 4.7 V8VR in whole Germany, there are currently none on the market. And I was fully willing to take any of the 50 shades of grey (and ended up with the 51st shade, black) 
Actually I find neither on the German AM homepage nor on the usual German portals the two blue ones you have in mind... I only see one blue N430 near Frankfurt (without any rally stripes) ???
Actually I find neither on the German AM homepage nor on the usual German portals the two blue ones you have in mind... I only see one blue N430 near Frankfurt (without any rally stripes) ???
Rather rude of me not to have posted after having received such good advice. That Aston Martin book is definitely the dog's dangly bits, albeit a bit unusual to navigate. After weighing up all the pros and cons and, quite frankly, having been seduced by the light leather interior, I pulled the trigger on the Ultramarine non-S. It's about 8 months old so seems to have all of the updates with the exception of the MY17 ones which I don't particularly like anyway.
Haven't picked it up yet as weather and work have been rather inclement of late - probably pick it up in January. Managed to nudge the price down ever so slightly and got the first annual service thrown in. It's an ex works vehicle so I hope Clarkson's bum hasn't been on the seats.
I'm amazed that the series equipment is so opulent - adding all those "extras" to an Audi TT (just a paper exercise!) to get near the Vantage spec got the two prices alarmingly near to one another! Must work over Christmas in the garage to get the Escort RS off the ramp so the Vantage can fit in and am daily scanning number plates available from the licensing centre to find something suitable. The county letters are obligatory here, but for the number itself I've reserved DB5 and N430 at the moment!
Cheers
Drew
Haven't picked it up yet as weather and work have been rather inclement of late - probably pick it up in January. Managed to nudge the price down ever so slightly and got the first annual service thrown in. It's an ex works vehicle so I hope Clarkson's bum hasn't been on the seats.
I'm amazed that the series equipment is so opulent - adding all those "extras" to an Audi TT (just a paper exercise!) to get near the Vantage spec got the two prices alarmingly near to one another! Must work over Christmas in the garage to get the Escort RS off the ramp so the Vantage can fit in and am daily scanning number plates available from the licensing centre to find something suitable. The county letters are obligatory here, but for the number itself I've reserved DB5 and N430 at the moment!
Cheers
Drew
dasadrew said:
The pre-owned prices in Germany are all over the place; dealers have 0km cars on their forecourts for a year, some are trying to get rid of them and reducing the price every two weeks, some are still advertising at list. Some movement has just started as the dealers receive their MY 2017 demonstrators, and Aston Martin themselves seem to have just released a batch of demonstrators to the dealers. Interestingly, they sometimes come on a UK plate with previous owner Gaydon UK although German spec. The spread of prices reflects this rarity and geography and can't really be related to hidden bad news. At the moment, there are dealers who want to move their forecourt and others without a free cash flow problem who are willing to sit it out.
Congratulations Drew on finding the car that you like.
Very patient then, by waiting for January delivery.
I was interested to read your description above, about the market in Germany. We seldom hear much on this forum about Aston Martin's export markets. You seem to be describing minimal demand, which must be difficult for dealers. Might this be a cyclical slow down, perhaps due to some sort of economic circumstances?
Enjoy your car. Expect you already know we like to see photographs.
dasadrew said:
Haven't worked out how to upload photos to this forum yet, or do I have to host them somewhere myself and post a link?
As always with computers Drew, it is annoyingly easy when one knows how, but a frustrating nuisance when we don't.
Start by making sure you know where the image file is stored on your PC or device (directory or folder etc.).
When writing your message on this forum, you will see above your own typing, 'Upload an image beta'.
Position your cursor on a new line, as you are typing your message.
Click on the 'Upload an image (beta)'.
Click 'Browse' and locate the image that you want.
Click 'Upload' and I think that should do it.
There is a file size limit, but it seems to cope with most photos.
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