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[cymario]

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[cymario]

Big Ry said:

January buying a roadster.....you're not going to go wrong price wise i'm sure.

Not being funny but the only way you'll ever know what the gearbox is like is by driving one. I think it's bloody good.....but still bought a manual. However, I certainly wouldn't rule out buying a V12S SS in the future, definitely not.....in fact I more than likely will at some point. Everyone has an opinion, but when push comes to shove it's your money you're laying down, make sure you're happy, not us lot.

Also....Morning Frost.......a st colour

Thanks. You don't like the colour? Only seen it on a v12v coupe and really liked it

[cymario]

AdamV12V said:

Have you tried test driving both the SSIII and 7spd dogleg boxes? I would suggest you give both a go before buying blind again. They are both great gearboxes but both seem to be fairly marmite, so I would strongly suggest a test drive as you might not like either one.

There are plenty of each to choose from, so take your time and get the right car this time.

Thank you Adam.

What is your opinion on the roadster, the gearbox and the values please?

[AdamV12V]

cymario said:

Big Ry said:

Also....Morning Frost.......a st colour

Thanks. You don't like the colour? Only seen it on a v12v coupe and really liked it

Big Ry is being sarcastic - he's just bought a Morning Frost V12V today!

Again I suggest you go have a look though. I also love it (my last V12V was Morning Frost too), but it's not to everybody's taste and most Aston owners and dealers play it safe with Black/Grey/Silver.

cymario said:

Thank you Adam.

What is your opinion on the roadster

Roadsters are lots of fun, wind in your hair and much greater access to listen to the epic V12 howl, but they are not without some compromises too (just the usual things for a convertible vs coupe really). Personally I think they are more beautiful but the coupe is more aggressive looking, and hence suits the V12V(S) better, but that's just my personal opinion and others will obviously feel the other way round. Just buy what you like, not what we think. Go see them both and see which appeals to your own eye!

cymario said:

the gearbox and the values please?

The gearbox, well read my own thread most recent last post with full comments on the gearbox - I am a manual man through and through and I absolutely love the 7spd dogleg box, but SS-III is great gearbox too (well basically the same kit as the dogleg manual but without a stick and clutch pedal). I would buy one any day over any dual clutch PDK/DSG box, and I think its the best true automated manual single clutch box I've ever driven, but it's fair to say it generally gets a hard time from journalists who don't understand it and try to compare it to an dual-clutch system or a auto - is it neither! As I put earlier, both V12VS gearbox options are marmite however and have their share of fans and doubters.

Finally I would personally say you should lookout for a car with lightweight CF bucket seats. Absolutely essential spec in a V12V(S) for me and they totally enhance the driving experience, but again there are those who disagree and prefer the standard sports seats.

You really need to go and try out all the options! Suggest you go get a test drive of all three gearboxes options; both seat types; both V12VS and V12V; and both coupe and roadster, as its a very expensive mistake to make spend >£100k if you don't like it. Is there a reason you can't visit a local dealer and ask for test drives back to back? If you are based in the West Midlands you have the choice of at least 4 dealerships within striking distance.

[hornbaek]

I think the main issue with the roadster is headroom. If you are tall your head will touch the roofline which it doesn't on the coupe. Its a bit better with the lightweight seats as you sit deeper but they don't come with heating - a must on an open car.

[cymario]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Any educated view on what the correct figure is that I should be paying for it, as well as values going forward?

March 2015, 7100 miles, sports heated seats and reversing camera as well as the carbon exterior amongst other options. One owner and described as being totally immaculate.

[cayman-black]

Firstly it looks a lovely car , morning frost is gorgeous plus it has a set of winter wheels. I think it is a little pricey as there is another at the same money with 1300 miles on it. As to holding there value these do not seem to be like the original manual cars which do hold there value so expect it to be worth around £100k when you have put a few more thousand miles on it.
But Adams advice is excellent you really should try these and include the original V12 in your test as some think these to be the best, look what happened to Big Ry.

Good Luck.

[cymario]

cayman-black said:

Firstly it looks a lovely car , morning frost is gorgeous plus it has a set of winter wheels. I think it is a little pricey as there is another at the same money with 1300 miles on it. As to holding there value these do not seem to be like the original manual cars which do hold there value so expect it to be worth around £100k when you have put a few more thousand miles on it.
But Adams advice is excellent you really should try these and include the original V12 in your test as some think these to be the best, look what happened to Big Ry.

Good Luck.

Thank you for your reply.

[jonby]

hornbaek said:

I think the main issue with the roadster is headroom. If you are tall your head will touch the roofline which it doesn't on the coupe. Its a bit better with the lightweight seats as you sit deeper but they don't come with heating - a must on an open car.

I'm 6'1 and have no problem with headroom in the roadster (with lightweights) - it's a bit of a squeeze roof up with a helmet on admitedly though

I hear what you say about seat heating a lot so it's obviously an individual thing, but I take my car out regularly roof down in cold conditions and honestly don't find the lack of seat heating a problem - the footwell heaters work really well and being a baldy, I often wear a beanie but other than that, it's all fine. Part of the fun really ! I do carry a throw/shawl in the car for passengers in case they complain :-)

[cymario]

Thanks for continued info.

Does anyone know how many roadster V12 VS have been produced so far for the UK?

[Big Ry]

cymario said:

Thanks for continued info.

Does anyone know how many roadster V12 VS have been produced so far for the UK?

Not sure on numbers but I hear the metric is around 20% of Vantage orders tend to be roadsters.

If you're angle is long term value, then you need to remember it's not a numbers car or limited run. Original V12R was limited to 101 hence why they command strong money. I suspect the V12SM Roadster will hold good money as there just won't be that many of them full stop.

I would have hoped a V12SR would be a fairly safe option, however I'm not sure I'd be buying one with that in mind if that makes sense.

[cymario]

Big Ry said:

Not sure on numbers but I hear the metric is around 20% of Vantage orders tend to be roadsters.

If you're angle is long term value, then you need to remember it's not a numbers car or limited run. Original V12R was limited to 101 hence why they command strong money. I suspect the V12SM Roadster will hold good money as there just won't be that many of them full stop.

I would have hoped a V12SR would be a fairly safe option, however I'm not sure I'd be buying one with that in mind if that makes sense.

Thank you but not sure what you mean, you wouldnt buy one because they are a safe option?

[IanV12VR]

Being lucky enough to have both a V12VR and a V12VSR they are both great cars but there will be quite a few more S version because it wasn't a limited run car. The original R was limited to 101 worldwide (not USA) and it is believed there are about 35 in the U.K. so however many (or few) manual V12VSR are built it will still be a very rare car.

Never missing a chance to post a picture

[hashluck]

cymario said:

Big Ry said:

Not sure on numbers but I hear the metric is around 20% of Vantage orders tend to be roadsters.

If you're angle is long term value, then you need to remember it's not a numbers car or limited run. Original V12R was limited to 101 hence why they command strong money. I suspect the V12SM Roadster will hold good money as there just won't be that many of them full stop.

I would have hoped a V12SR would be a fairly safe option, however I'm not sure I'd be buying one with that in mind if that makes sense.

Thank you but not sure what you mean, you wouldnt buy one because they are a safe option?

He means he would not buy a car based on the future looking depreciation of said car hoping it will hold its value since there are so many vagaries of the market and chances are it won't. Buy what you like and can afford.

[FrankieV12VS]

hashluck said:

cymario said:

Big Ry said:

Not sure on numbers but I hear the metric is around 20% of Vantage orders tend to be roadsters.

If you're angle is long term value, then you need to remember it's not a numbers car or limited run. Original V12R was limited to 101 hence why they command strong money. I suspect the V12SM Roadster will hold good money as there just won't be that many of them full stop.

I would have hoped a V12SR would be a fairly safe option, however I'm not sure I'd be buying one with that in mind if that makes sense.

Thank you but not sure what you mean, you wouldnt buy one because they are a safe option?

He means he would not buy a car based on the future looking depreciation of said car hoping it will hold its value since there are so many vagaries of the market and chances are it won't. Buy what you like and can afford.

^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ all day long!

Edited by FrankieV12VS on Friday 13th January 14:01

[cymario]

IanV12VR said:

Being lucky enough to have both a V12VR and a V12VSR they are both great cars but there will be quite a few more S version because it wasn't a limited run car. The original R was limited to 101 worldwide (not USA) and it is believed there are about 35 in the U.K. so however many (or few) manual V12VSR are built it will still be a very rare car.

Never missing a chance to post a picture

Oh wow!! they both look amazing, especially side by side.

[northernmedia]

hashluck said:

cymario said:

Big Ry said:

Not sure on numbers but I hear the metric is around 20% of Vantage orders tend to be roadsters.

If you're angle is long term value, then you need to remember it's not a numbers car or limited run. Original V12R was limited to 101 hence why they command strong money. I suspect the V12SM Roadster will hold good money as there just won't be that many of them full stop.

I would have hoped a V12SR would be a fairly safe option, however I'm not sure I'd be buying one with that in mind if that makes sense.

Thank you but not sure what you mean, you wouldnt buy one because they are a safe option?

He means he would not buy a car based on the future looking depreciation of said car hoping it will hold its value since there are so many vagaries of the market and chances are it won't. Buy what you like and can afford.

Indeed, if you're looking for investment potential I'd look elsewhere.

[cymario]

northernmedia said:

Indeed, if you're looking for investment potential I'd look elsewhere.

Hi, not looking for investment potential but just trying to buy the car at the right price point to limit the depreciation, so trying to benefit from some of the experience of people on here to get some advice on where people see values going if I get in at circa £213-214k. My thinking was that they may bottom out quite high but not sure.

[Big Ry]

cymario said:

Hi, not looking for investment potential but just trying to buy the car at the right price point to limit the depreciation, so trying to benefit from some of the experience of people on here to get some advice on where people see values going if I get in at circa £213-214k. My thinking was that they may bottom out quite high but not sure.

I'd always be looking for a few grand off of asking, however remember the "S" dealers are notorious for not budging on asking.

Really though, you need to settle on what variant you're looking for before you start worrying about prices and deals. I was all set to go for the SS but when I drove the manual (6sp) and SS3 back to back I changed my mind (for now at least). That surprised me more than anyone else, before then I'd not really considered the V12. Get out in them, decide what you want and then start to deal would be my advice.....for what it's worth.

[cymario]

Have deposited on it just now. The dealer drove their demo roadster to me on Saturday all the way from Reading, I live in the Midlands. Drove it for an hour or so to make sure that I get on with the gearbox. Actually really enjoyed the gearbox, it was a complete non issue after just 5 or so minutes of driving. The engine is just amazing! Drove it in driving rain and very cold conditions and it still allows you confidence to push a little. That sound!!

Dealer sent me this photo today now that they have taken off the winter wheels and tyres.

If anybody on here is considering buying a set of winters please let me know as I will probably look to sell them as I can't see myself ever using them

Edited by cymario on Monday 16th January 18:14