New AMOC website

[steeviegeebies]

It's fixable - with a long list of problems, needing a ton of work and expense. Not one of the clubs finest moments, but at least the logging on issues have been resolved. So far it's only crashed on me once, but it is really basic and on a mobile some of basics don't work at all.

[F1NDW]

The AMOC forum is now almost deceased. It's certainly on it's last gasp. No replies from AMOC or the company that killed it "uprisevsi". When questioned about what is being done to remedy the situation (I'm sure it can be remedied, but there seems to be no will to do so by anyone in a position to get it done) the silence is deafening.

Today serious conflict of interest questions over the contract. I would not normally want to air AMOC dirty linen here but the situation is beyond frustration. Most of the old regular contributors have not now been seen for a month. You cant even curse on there with out being replaced by asterisks.

Anyone looking for a website provider, remember what this one have done to the AMOC.

Edited by F1NDW on Friday 10th March 23:05

[IanV12VR]

Difficult to argue with anything that you say. As a regular user of both sites it is very sad to see what has happened. Answers are needed as to how this has come about and if you are an AMOC member who has left the site there is an AGM coming up towards the end of March and if you have questions Gary Ungless has agreed to coordinate them and ask them on behalf of those concerned.

[V12JDC]

It's sad, I joined the club at Christmas and despite various attempts to log in have never managed it, so I can't even comment.

It's good that it's brilliant on here but I would like to be part of the AMOC forum too, it was a part of the membership which I think knitted it all together

[tonyhall38]

Hang the bounders..!!!!!!
A right royal total and utter fk up......that's being polite about it.....the old farts who run the Amoc need to be put out to die in peace and let the next generations take over...but saying that....most of the up and coming are tts

[rl77]

Its very clunky and segregated and so very slow. Car issues are all segregated on where they were made. Takes ages just to see a list of posts and by the time you get there you've kind of lost interest. Posts per day seem to be falling.

Its far worse than JEC (which suffers from two main pre-decessor forums dominating a bit) but that also follows the view that different cars from same brand all have to be discussed down what seem to be dark long corridors that take a long time to walk down so that even other club members can't see it. As lots of issues affect some but not all other cars and communication is good and can help solve issues and build togetherness. Looked a 4-5 times in last 2 weeks, summary info on recent posts also a bit suspect as when you delve down it seems to be older posts only.

[Car mad enthusiast]

+1 Tony. Oh deary me. More trouble at Mill for AMOC then. LMAO

tonyhall38 said:

Hang the bounders..!!!!!!
A right royal total and utter fk up......that's being polite about it.....the old farts who run the Amoc need to be put out to die in peace and let the next generations take over...but saying that....most of the up and coming are tts

Edited by Car mad enthusiast on Saturday 11th March 09:13

Edited by Car mad enthusiast on Sunday 12th March 12:02

Edited by Car mad enthusiast on Monday 13th March 12:38

Edited by Car mad enthusiast on Monday 13th March 19:32

[Vanin]

Poor old Webby must be turning in his grave.

[Jon39]

Did AMOC recover the money that they paid for the useless software?
They certainly ought to. If I purchase any product that does not work, I don't say Oh well and then forget the matter.

The software people got their free publicity for securing the business.
http://businessnewswales.com/cardiff-based-digital...

In the computer world, there has always been a remarkable amount of free quality software available.
I guess it might be created by skilled software writers, who are then unable to sell the program.
I wonder if there are instantly available forum programs? It would not surprise me, so that might give AMOC a (possibly temporary) solution. We have already read that some ex-members left, because of the forum fiasco. Needs sorting quickly.

Sometimes people say things, which unfortunately later turns out to be complete tosh. We need to be careful what we say these days, because it seems the internet never forgets.
"We were impressed by the strong proposal that upriseVSI presented during the tender process, which highlighted how their software can deliver all of the online digital services that we require. We want to reduce the time our staff spend on manual processes and improve our member services. The fact that the upriseVSI systems have done this previously with other major brands gave us confidence that they were the right company for us to work with.”

Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 27th August 11:46

[IanV12VR]

Jon39 said:

Did AMOC recover the money that they paid for the useless software?
They certainly ought to. If I purchase any product that does not work, I don't say Oh well and then forget the matter.

The software people got their free publicity for securing the business.
http://businessnewswales.com/cardiff-based-digital...

In the computer world, there has always been a remarkable amount of free quality software available.
I guess it might be created by skilled software writers, who are then unable to sell the program.
I wonder if there are instantly available forum programs? It would not surprise me, so that might give AMOC a (possibly temporary) solution. We have already read that some ex-members left, because of the forum fiasco. Needs sorting quickly.

This thread is a bit out of date. Thanks to some very hard work by Gary Ungless and others a new forum has been set up using standard forum software adapted for the Club's use and the rubbish forum created by a software company that had no experience in that field has been closed down. It is hugely better although many who used the original site have not yet returned but they need to in order to increase the activity on it.

I have no idea what has happened to the monies paid across and whether they are recoverable but the software company continue to manage the AMOC website with the exception of the forum I believe. That perhaps complicates matters Jon but totally agree with your sentiments. It was never as active as the PH site but used to be a good alternative. Hopefully, now it is a good secure site members will return to use it.

[RobDown]

I may have misread the situation, but I think one of the complicating factors was that the company awarded the contract was owned by an AMOC Ctte member. I'm sure someone will correct me on that if it's wrong

Edited to add: if you click on the link in Jon39s post you will see the technical director of AMOC is a mr Mark Thomas. He also happens to be technical director of UpriseVSI who built the "forum" for AMOC. I'm sure all procedures were followed correctly and it's a pure co-incidence that they were awarded the contract

All I will add is a personal view; AMOC were very generous offering the contract to an IT company that has a distinct lack of expertise in this area. And quite rightly there should be wholesale change amongst the CoM. The excuse of being volunteers can forgive many errors of judgement but can ultimately only go so far

Edited by RobDown on Sunday 27th August 12:29

[IanV12VR]

RobDown said:

I may have misread the situation, but I think one of the complicating factors was that the company awarded the contract was owned by an AMOC Ctte member. I'm sure someone will correct me on that if it's wrong

Not quite Rob but not far off if my understanding is correct. He was a consultant with the software firm and he recommended that they be used to the COM. As you say I am sure if that is wrong we will be corrected.

[RobDown]

Hi Ian, see my post above

I'm not an IT person so no idea where the boundary between technical director and consultant lies. But the bottom line is he appears to have recommended his own firm

Edited by RobDown on Sunday 27th August 12:40

[DB4DM]

According to Companies House, Mark Thomas resigned as a Director of AMOC Ltd on 30 April 2017

[IanV12VR]

DB4DM said:

According to Companies House, Mark Thomas resigned as a Director of AMOC Ltd on 30 April 2017

Again, I understand that he resigned on the eve of the AGM which avoided answering questions from members regarding what had gone on and whether there had been a conflict of interest (or how that had been dealt with). Of course, by then all the decisions had been made, costs incurred and damage had been done.

[RobDown]

IanV12VR said:

DB4DM said:

According to Companies House, Mark Thomas resigned as a Director of AMOC Ltd on 30 April 2017

Again, I understand that he resigned on the eve of the AGM which avoided answering questions from members regarding what had gone on and whether there had been a conflict of interest (or how that had been dealt with). Of course, by then all the decisions had been made, costs incurred and damage had been done.

Exactly that

[Jon39]

My contribution was followed, by what is just like a Sunday Times investigation report.
Coincidence that it is Sunday today.

The possibility of a connected party has been mentioned, but it has also been commented, that the software firm might be continuing to do work for AMOC. Hmm.

[shinjuku]

Sounds like things have run amoc...

[steveway]

shinjuku said:

Sounds like things have run amoc...

hahaha

[ilikeAstons]

hahah. the thing is, it's the sttest website ever, and so is the magazine. I won't bet renewing my membership. If I ran my company like they do, I'd expect to fail.. I'm doing alright, maybe someone should call - it really isn't rocket science.