F Type more beautiful than a Vantage???

F Type more beautiful than a Vantage???

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Simon T

2,133 posts

272 months

Saturday 18th February 2017
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ChilliWhizz said:
I have just read an article on a business stylee website called 'Business Insider', from Feb 2016 where the employees of this somewhat dubious organisation seem to have agreed that a Jaguar F type is 'more beautiful' (their words) than a Vantage.... Now it seems like a fairly well informed well structured source of business and political mis information site, but really... an F type better looking than a Vantage... puts a whole new perspective on 'should have gone to specsavers'

Link here..

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-beautiful-c...
bks, the F type has a face like a smacked arse

66MK

374 posts

106 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Simon T said:
bks, the F type has a face like a smacked arse
rofl

Ironic since it's arse is actually rather nice!!

Octavarium

547 posts

106 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Simon T said:
ChilliWhizz said:
I have just read an article on a business stylee website called 'Business Insider', from Feb 2016 where the employees of this somewhat dubious organisation seem to have agreed that a Jaguar F type is 'more beautiful' (their words) than a Vantage.... Now it seems like a fairly well informed well structured source of business and political mis information site, but really... an F type better looking than a Vantage... puts a whole new perspective on 'should have gone to specsavers'

Link here..

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-beautiful-c...
This is very difficult to take seriously when they have a Peugeot at number 8

Lawts0908

190 posts

86 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Looked seriously at the F type. Yes a lovely looking car..... until you see the thick 'orange peel' paint job and listen to the salesman tipping in your ear about all the under bonnet airbags and how much of the car can be driven by your smartphone.
Came away from the showroom and promptly bought the V12V... immaculate paint finish... massive engine in a beautiful car....Simples.

V8 Vantage GT

1,563 posts

105 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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I cross shopped both and bought the Aston. The F type is beautiful, but not in the same league as the Vantage. Fit and finish much nicer in the Aston. Interior of the Jaguar not nearly as nice not to mention lot of cheap plastics, fake carbon look etc in the Jaguar. Not trying to put the Jaguar down, it's going to be a great deal used in a few years, you'll be able to pick up a $100,000+ R for $30,000 or less in the not to distant future. Here is a photo of the F type engine without the cover, Aston doesn't need an engine cover to hide ugly.

Lawts0908

190 posts

86 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Octavarium said:
Simon T said:
ChilliWhizz said:
I have just read an article on a business stylee website called 'Business Insider', from Feb 2016 where the employees of this somewhat dubious organisation seem to have agreed that a Jaguar F type is 'more beautiful' (their words) than a Vantage.... Now it seems like a fairly well informed well structured source of business and political mis information site, but really... an F type better looking than a Vantage... puts a whole new perspective on 'should have gone to specsavers'

Link here..

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-beautiful-c...
This is very difficult to take seriously when they have a Peugeot at number 8
Crap. My other car's a Peugeot..... Can't fault it for the money I paid, AND it has lots of features not found on my V12V! (Auto lights/wipers, oil level gauge light etc etc) Super comfy too....

Octavarium

547 posts

106 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Lawts0908 said:
Octavarium said:
Simon T said:
ChilliWhizz said:
I have just read an article on a business stylee website called 'Business Insider', from Feb 2016 where the employees of this somewhat dubious organisation seem to have agreed that a Jaguar F type is 'more beautiful' (their words) than a Vantage.... Now it seems like a fairly well informed well structured source of business and political mis information site, but really... an F type better looking than a Vantage... puts a whole new perspective on 'should have gone to specsavers'

Link here..

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-beautiful-c...
This is very difficult to take seriously when they have a Peugeot at number 8
Crap. My other car's a Peugeot..... Can't fault it for the money I paid, AND it has lots of features not found on my V12V! (Auto lights/wipers, oil level gauge light etc etc) Super comfy too....
The article isn't about how many features a car has or hasn't got - it's about how beautiful the car is. I know it's all subjective, but a Peugeot RCZ is the 8th most beautiful car money can buy ? BTW, my SP10 has auto lights/wipers.

hornbaek

3,668 posts

234 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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It is all in the eye of the beholder, but the Jaguar is a pretty piece of kit. Especially the 3/4 rear view of the coupe. It looks very compact with short overhangs and a cool silhouette. No doubt inspired by the equally pretty V12 Vantage which is probably one of the nicest designs ever made. However, next to each other the Vantage looks a little dated so I can't wait until they bring on the MY18 replacement. In terms of value for money I think that the Jaguar is the better buy. It is simply a more modern car whereas the Vantage is a 10 year old design.

RobDown

3,803 posts

127 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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hornbaek said:
It is all in the eye of the beholder, but the Jaguar is a pretty piece of kit. Especially the 3/4 rear view of the coupe. It looks very compact with short overhangs and a cool silhouette. No doubt inspired by the equally pretty V12 Vantage which is probably one of the nicest designs ever made. However, next to each other the Vantage looks a little dated so I can't wait until they bring on the MY18 replacement. In terms of value for money I think that the Jaguar is the better buy. It is simply a more modern car whereas the Vantage is a 10 year old design.
I assume you mean "used" they are better value, because they depreciate like a large rock falling through a vacuum test chamber?

If I had more space I would certainly consider a 3-4 year old soft-top F-type as a Summer toy, just slightly put off by them using all the same switch-gear etc that's in the wife's XF

divetheworld

2,565 posts

134 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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First time I saw it, my eyes were unavoidably drawn to the amount of plastic. Not just that, but plastic moulded to replace a better suited material that they would otherwise have used. Such as the grille, moulded to simulate the texture of woven wire mesh.
The leather is embossed rather than chosen. The exhaust is designed to simulate the sound of the true performance and race cars they wish it was. Err, no dry dump.
Under the skin, the construction isn't much different. The panels punched out and assembled by Stadco for Jag, are done well but to a price.
All in all, it cannot be, nor should ever be directly compared to a Vantage. Any Vantage. Wrong market.
Instead, I'd measure it on its own merits. That a UK manufacturing company has created a fantastic car at a price point that is/should take a significant market share of the sports car market from the likes of Porsche and Audi.
I hope they sell millions of great cars.

I'd have a roadster. But only to take out when the weather wasn't kind enough to take out my pride and joy.

shunt

968 posts

224 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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I had an early V8 Vantage and now have a V8S F Type, I agree the Vantage is the prettier car, classic looks that will never fail to turn heads.

The F Type, is also very pretty, especially the rear. But I'd still say the Aston is the better looking car.

As for value for money, second hand at 2 - 3 years old, in an F Type you are getting a much better car than a £45k Aston, that V8 Supercharged engine is a monster in comparison to the Astons offering. The V8V is feeling it's age now.

yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Well, I can afford neither car. But in my opinion, the Vantage is the more classic, more beautiful car, especially in the long term. As someone else has already said, the F Type is more "of the here and now" and might well suffer from it's modern angular features in a few years time, where the Aston Martin isn't likely to date too badly in my view.

Having said that, I'd sooner have an F Type than a Vantage, given the funds and the choice. I can't explain why, but that's just how I feel. And yet I've dreamed about owning an Aston Martin since the 007 DB5 and The Italian Job. There's just something about the F Type that seems so 'right' when you see one being driven in a spirited fashion. I was lucky enough to have one overtake me up a hill out of Marlow yesterday while out cycling, and the noise and the way it seemed to press itself down as it accelerated up the hill was something to behold. I'm hoping that the driver was giving it a little bit 'extra' on account of my PistonHeads cycling jacket...


...sadly I probably wouldn't buy either car even if I could. I'm slap-bang in the middle of "mid-life crisis" territory. I don't think I'm coupe/convertible material. I'd probably just buy a later X308 XJR, and enjoy the hell out of it...

hornbaek

3,668 posts

234 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Not the normal F-Type but I find this rather nice (and it is also pretty special):



Edited by hornbaek on Tuesday 21st February 08:59

Griffithy

929 posts

275 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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hornbaek said:
Not the normal F-Type but I find this rather nice (and it is also pretty special):



Edited by hornbaek on Tuesday 21st February 08:59
Very interesting car.
To me it looks like a maxxed up Japanese thing.



Big Ry

1,678 posts

118 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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I think we need to remind ourselves though that we're fortunate enough to be able to afford to buy AND run an Aston, most people cannot.

So to me the issue is more about would I buy an F Type over an Aston today, and the answer is no as I can afford an Aston. If that wasn't the case then a brand new £60k (after discount) lovely spec V6S with warranty and zero hassle for a minimum of three years........damn right I'd be interested. A couple of tacky plastic bits aside, it's a bloody good car and looks great.

As I think others have said it's not comparing Apples with Apples really (yeah I know the V8F is a stupid price). This argument will be gone in a few months though as the rumour mill says the new Vantage will start at mid 120's, so the price gap will firmly put them in different leagues.


AstonExige

661 posts

106 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Big Ry said:
I think we need to remind ourselves though that we're fortunate enough to be able to afford to buy AND run an Aston, most people cannot.

So to me the issue is more about would I buy an F Type over an Aston today, and the answer is no as I can afford an Aston. If that wasn't the case then a brand new £60k (after discount) lovely spec V6S with warranty and zero hassle for a minimum of three years........damn right I'd be interested. A couple of tacky plastic bits aside, it's a bloody good car and looks great.

As I think others have said it's not comparing Apples with Apples really (yeah I know the V8F is a stupid price). This argument will be gone in a few months though as the rumour mill says the new Vantage will start at mid 120's, so the price gap will firmly put them in different leagues.
Totally agree. Although when it comes to affordability it's not just purchase and running costs, it's depreciation. I can "afford" my V12V as I'm confident I can get my money back out when I decide I should grow up and spend it on sensible stuff. But if the V12V was going to depreciate like the F-Types have then no I couldn't afford the V12V.

I know its some man maths in play here, but the reason I decided to stretch my budget to a V12V from an F-Type R was down to the fact I looked at actual cost being equal to purchase price minus sale price. So F Type purchase at £65k, sell in 3yrs for £45k. Cost is £20k. V12V Buy for £85k, sell in 3yrs for £85k. Cost is £0 biggrin So may as well stretch another £20k to buy the more expensive AM as the interest will cost less than the depreciation of the F Type and I'm driving a fricking V12 Vantage!! Win win win biggrin

Man math is my friend

RobDown

3,803 posts

127 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Big Ry said:
I think we need to remind ourselves though that we're fortunate enough to be able to afford to buy AND run an Aston, most people cannot.

So to me the issue is more about would I buy an F Type over an Aston today, and the answer is no as I can afford an Aston. If that wasn't the case then a brand new £60k (after discount) lovely spec V6S with warranty and zero hassle for a minimum of three years........damn right I'd be interested. A couple of tacky plastic bits aside, it's a bloody good car and looks great.

As I think others have said it's not comparing Apples with Apples really (yeah I know the V8F is a stupid price). This argument will be gone in a few months though as the rumour mill says the new Vantage will start at mid 120's, so the price gap will firmly put them in different leagues.
There's a three year old V6 roadster for GBP36k at a Jaguar dealership, presumably knock £5k plus off that if looking to buy from a private seller

Big Ry

1,678 posts

118 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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RobDown said:
There's a three year old V6 roadster for GBP36k at a Jaguar dealership, presumably knock £5k plus off that if looking to buy from a private seller
.......and plastic bits aside, that's a lot of car for the money (first owners taken a bath though).

hornbaek

3,668 posts

234 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Well - hindsight is a beautiful thing. I lost a shed load of money on my V12V. (Bought as one of the first ones in 2009 and sold 3 yers later) and I think that people who bought a V12VS when they were launched some 18 - 24 months ago are looking into the abyss as well. So again - timing and a bit of luck is everything.

macdeb

8,492 posts

254 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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No comparison. The 'F' type is already showing signs of age, backs ok but the front and especially the sides are a bit, middle aged. Whereas the V8V just cannot be bettered from any angle.