The new Vantage?
Discussion
CSK1 said:
There might well be a successor to the last ever (promised!) V12 Vantage going by AML’s last announcement of the “new” V12 engine destined for future limited production models.
Yep my thinking too. Although if they make it as limited I’ve got no chance of getting a slot.Everytime a new Aston come out I whinge that they are too expensive haha.
nathwraith1 said:
Yep my thinking too. Although if they make it as limited I’ve got no chance of getting a slot.
Everytime a new Aston come out I whinge that they are too expensive haha.
After a few laps around the track you'll realise the rules about buying a new ltd ed Aston are:Everytime a new Aston come out I whinge that they are too expensive haha.
1) There is always "just one last available" slot for a serious customer...
2) There will almost certainly be another last ever version of the last ever model you are about to buy
3) The strictly RRP isn't actually the price you have to pay if you haggle hard enough.
AdamV12V said:
After a few laps around the track you'll realise the rules about buying a new ltd ed Aston are:
1) There is always "just one last available" slot for a serious customer...
2) There will almost certainly be another last ever version of the last ever model you are about to buy
3) The strictly RRP isn't actually the price you have to pay if you haggle hard enough.
Laughed at 2) .1) There is always "just one last available" slot for a serious customer...
2) There will almost certainly be another last ever version of the last ever model you are about to buy
3) The strictly RRP isn't actually the price you have to pay if you haggle hard enough.
franki68 said:
AdamV12V said:
After a few laps around the track you'll realise the rules about buying a new ltd ed Aston are:
1) There is always "just one last available" slot for a serious customer...
2) There will almost certainly be another last ever version of the last ever model you are about to buy
3) The strictly RRP isn't actually the price you have to pay if you haggle hard enough.
Laughed at 2) .1) There is always "just one last available" slot for a serious customer...
2) There will almost certainly be another last ever version of the last ever model you are about to buy
3) The strictly RRP isn't actually the price you have to pay if you haggle hard enough.
the thought of there being a V12 of this car? that could well be one of Astons best ever cars, unlike the last, last V12 ever..Though i was looking at a couple of V12 coupes that were sat alongside (coincidently) the car i’m looking to replace with this new vanatge and was surprised how good they looked vs my car tbh, not a fan of the central exhausts so much but the rest was pretty good, one of them had a solid wheel variant which ive always liked on brabus variants of mercedes.
Anyway, really looking forward to reviews of the v8, yet to see it in the flesh though & the db12 really didnt shine, so hoping this one captures me..
New Vantage reviews are out. Very positive.
Some concern over light steering feel. I had this concern driving the DB12. I expected AM have tightened the Vantage up a notch over the DB12 - hopefully.
A few weeks ago after listening to the Chris Harris clip I suspected that AM have plumbed-in the engine sound into cabin (similar to Porsche) and after listening to a few reviews I really reckon they have. Some vids the interior engine sound is a bit thin but other vids much louder and actually sounds great.
Some concern over light steering feel. I had this concern driving the DB12. I expected AM have tightened the Vantage up a notch over the DB12 - hopefully.
A few weeks ago after listening to the Chris Harris clip I suspected that AM have plumbed-in the engine sound into cabin (similar to Porsche) and after listening to a few reviews I really reckon they have. Some vids the interior engine sound is a bit thin but other vids much louder and actually sounds great.
Top Gear very positive: https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/vantage
Chasing raw performance is a fool’s errand in the world of superpowered EVs, so Aston Martin’s determination to always have class-leading power seems a bit of a dead-end. However, when it’s done in conjunction with a clear focus on driving dynamics through a combination of old-school engineering (check out the rear strut brace, for example) and adopting superb hardware and software, then our concerns start to melt away.
In short, the Vantage is a significant improvement on its predecessor and builds on the excitement of the last F1 Edition car by adding performance and polish. Does it ultimately have the breadth of ability of a Porsche 911 Turbo? No. And maybe even a ‘lowly’ Carrera GTS would eat it up around the Nürburgring. Yet on the road – y’know, where you spend 99.9 per cent of your time - it’s precise, exciting and feels special even when you’re just dawdling along. We like.
Chasing raw performance is a fool’s errand in the world of superpowered EVs, so Aston Martin’s determination to always have class-leading power seems a bit of a dead-end. However, when it’s done in conjunction with a clear focus on driving dynamics through a combination of old-school engineering (check out the rear strut brace, for example) and adopting superb hardware and software, then our concerns start to melt away.
In short, the Vantage is a significant improvement on its predecessor and builds on the excitement of the last F1 Edition car by adding performance and polish. Does it ultimately have the breadth of ability of a Porsche 911 Turbo? No. And maybe even a ‘lowly’ Carrera GTS would eat it up around the Nürburgring. Yet on the road – y’know, where you spend 99.9 per cent of your time - it’s precise, exciting and feels special even when you’re just dawdling along. We like.
Henry C gave it a thumbs up as well, very impressed by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1QWQA3Egh4
My concern is their comments on ride quality, one of the areas ive always felt the GTC lacks finesse over bumpier surfaces and an area i was hoping to improve if i went for the vantage, though every other area sounds good and they reserved judgement until tested on uk roads, maybe they’ll be some final adjustments for the production cars?
Tbh i think i’d put up with the ride but how this over firm ride translates on the roadster concerns me further as they dont wear a firm ride well, maybe they’ll soften it for the roadster, think they did on the GTC roadster… if the looks in person grab me later this month then i think this review is decent, if not exciting, my gtc runs 700hp and 325 cup2s have no issue handling it (in the dry)
Look forward to the videos..
Tbh i think i’d put up with the ride but how this over firm ride translates on the roadster concerns me further as they dont wear a firm ride well, maybe they’ll soften it for the roadster, think they did on the GTC roadster… if the looks in person grab me later this month then i think this review is decent, if not exciting, my gtc runs 700hp and 325 cup2s have no issue handling it (in the dry)
Look forward to the videos..
I learnt more from Matt Prior's comments than the other reviews so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFdfW-AIVpI
Quite informative and natural.
Quite informative and natural.
Lots of good information in this video from Autotrader with Alex Legouix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPcGR7FXMno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPcGR7FXMno
Here's another one from Carwow with Mat Watson. Lots of good info in here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnplUqrbysE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnplUqrbysE
Kerniki said:
My concern is their comments on ride quality
Just finished watching Henry Catchpole's video. I think the looks of the car are a big improvement (particularly on the inside), and the power is impressive.But...
I couldn't agree more on the ride quality bit. Note how Catchpole says he tried 'Track' suspension setting on... a track (!)... and had to dial it back to Sport because it was too bumpy. Well, maybe it was a really bumpy circuit, but I suspect more likely this is another case of an adjustable suspension with a bunch of settings that no one will ever use, and where the settings that will be used are never quite right. Cars are just too heavy these days.
And I still can't help but be disappointed with that exhaust note.
The car certainly looks a lot more polished and the revised styling brings back some of that wow factor.
quench said:
Kerniki said:
My concern is their comments on ride quality
Just finished watching Henry Catchpole's video. I think the looks of the car are a big improvement (particularly on the inside), and the power is impressive.But...
I couldn't agree more on the ride quality bit. Note how Catchpole says he tried 'Track' suspension setting on... a track (!)... and had to dial it back to Sport because it was too bumpy. Well, maybe it was a really bumpy circuit, but I suspect more likely this is another case of an adjustable suspension with a bunch of settings that no one will ever use, and where the settings that will be used are never quite right. Cars are just too heavy these days.
And I still can't help but be disappointed with that exhaust note.
The car certainly looks a lot more polished and the revised styling brings back some of that wow factor.
There is no comfort mode which by description suggests aston themselves consider all 3 modes to not be comfortable, has it even been that a compny has made such a lrge change to pre production based on journos feedback?
Every journo review ive seen so far has commented on the lack of suspension comfort.
I guess no car is perfect, i agree with you on noise, exactly the same with my GTC but it does do a gorgeous burble for cruising 2-3k rpm, on the roadster thats more important than top end noise if i’m honest, as anyone from tvr rv8 background will tell you..
Steve Sutcliffe another strong, generally positive review despite his usual grumpy complaints - "it feels too perfect" on the road whatever that means.... but he does say he'd take it over a 911 Turbo which is quite something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j8M0PqTpMQ
Edited by BenAstonV12 on Monday 13th May 18:21
Oh god now I really want one! Henry Catchpole, Sutcliffe and Matt Watson are my go to reviewers and all had positive reviews.
The ride quality cannot be harsher than the F1 edition surely?
Exhaust note sounds great for an OPF car but in my hands they would soon be swapped out.
Circa £200k with options though. Hmm.
The ride quality cannot be harsher than the F1 edition surely?
Exhaust note sounds great for an OPF car but in my hands they would soon be swapped out.
Circa £200k with options though. Hmm.
Kerniki said:
My concern is their comments on ride quality, one of the areas ive always felt the GTC lacks finesse over bumpier surfaces and an area i was hoping to improve if i went for the vantage, though every other area sounds good and they reserved judgement until tested on uk roads, maybe they’ll be some final adjustments for the production cars?
Tbh i think i’d put up with the ride but how this over firm ride translates on the roadster concerns me further as they dont wear a firm ride well, maybe they’ll soften it for the roadster, think they did on the GTC roadster… if the looks in person grab me later this month then i think this review is decent, if not exciting, my gtc runs 700hp and 325 cup2s have no issue handling it (in the dry)
Look forward to the videos..
I have the pre facelift roadster and the ride is absolutely exceptional. The handling over bumpy roads is uncanny. Something that German cars are never very good at being that they don’t really have bumpy roads. I can’t imagine that the facelift model is going to go backwards in this area. I know that Matt Becker has left and the pre facelift is very Lotus like in ride/handling balance, but I can’t see them stuffing this up. Take what you read with a large grain of salt. Tbh i think i’d put up with the ride but how this over firm ride translates on the roadster concerns me further as they dont wear a firm ride well, maybe they’ll soften it for the roadster, think they did on the GTC roadster… if the looks in person grab me later this month then i think this review is decent, if not exciting, my gtc runs 700hp and 325 cup2s have no issue handling it (in the dry)
Look forward to the videos..
Also consider that the Vantage was designed from the outset to also be a roadster. The AMG roadster is known to have a more shaky body than its hardtop counterpart.
I’ve read so many reviews on the new model. So many conflicting, often regurgitated opinions. They are mainly just filling up space. One reviewer says the ZF8 is super fast, one says it is slow and makes the car lose balance as it has a torque converter. What a total clown, the ZF locks up unless you are manoeuvring at a very slow speed. A lot of these experts don’t understand that the shifts take queues from driver input, basically they don’t know how to drive.
Mine doesn’t have an OPF and sounds glorious and not much like an AMG at all. Hopefully US and Australian spec cars do not come with the OPF.
They’ve really done a great job on both the styling and the interior changes. Pre-facelift was very colour and spec dependent, whereas the new one really looks the business in any colour.
Interestingly enough I was reading an article that was saying most of the new models are now ordered in green, likely as a result of the safety car and F1 car and way less ordering the traditional Aston silver hues. That will be interesting in the future. People will be complaining about too many green cars. People love to complain.
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