Aston Martin advice from Bamford Rose independent specialist
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I have a 2004 Vanquish and am having hot start issues. Wanted to ask if you have had any similar instances.
In short, starts first time with push button start when cold. (Handbrake on and foot on the pedal)
When I drive the car for 10 to 15 mins up to running temp and switch the car off it wont start.
Again, have the handbrake on, foot on the brake and which I push the start button I just hear a click but it wont turn over.
Its in at Aston/Al Habtoor in Dubai but I dont have much confidence in them to be honest. Apparently the system shows a "Fault - Central Locking" when the car is hot. What this has to do with the starter I don't quite see. They are apparently waiting for the response from the warranty dept in the UK (for the past week)
By the way, if I take the handbrake off but have my foot on the brake (I dont believe you need the handbrake on to start - Just your foot on the brake) - the "Brake light" appears every time I go to depress the start button. It led me to believe it was the switchgear on the footbrake but apparently they have checking this and its ok, I can also hear the click when I depress the pedal.
Wanted to ask if you have experienced this issue on a number of other Vanquish's in the past. I want to get back into the car asap.
Cheers
Luke
In short, starts first time with push button start when cold. (Handbrake on and foot on the pedal)
When I drive the car for 10 to 15 mins up to running temp and switch the car off it wont start.
Again, have the handbrake on, foot on the brake and which I push the start button I just hear a click but it wont turn over.
Its in at Aston/Al Habtoor in Dubai but I dont have much confidence in them to be honest. Apparently the system shows a "Fault - Central Locking" when the car is hot. What this has to do with the starter I don't quite see. They are apparently waiting for the response from the warranty dept in the UK (for the past week)
By the way, if I take the handbrake off but have my foot on the brake (I dont believe you need the handbrake on to start - Just your foot on the brake) - the "Brake light" appears every time I go to depress the start button. It led me to believe it was the switchgear on the footbrake but apparently they have checking this and its ok, I can also hear the click when I depress the pedal.
Wanted to ask if you have experienced this issue on a number of other Vanquish's in the past. I want to get back into the car asap.
Cheers
Luke
MichaelV8V said:
Mike, as the new system gives a significant increase in torque, which will address the main weakness of the 4.3, presumably the 4.7 would benefit from a similar torque uplift, but as torque is less of a problem on the larger engine the benefits are greater for the 4.3?
The delta torque increase this system gives is the same in NM value / terms for both 4.3L and for 4.7L engines. Displacement is not a variable that effects the delta increase this upgrade exhaust system returns. In ballpark terms, when fitted it makes a 4.3L feel like a 4.7LThe delta difference you feel from your beast with the MKI Bamford Rose upgrade system will feel electric - but you can be the best judge of that in a couple of days time..!
VanquishDubai said:
I have a 2004 Vanquish and am having hot start issues. Wanted to ask if you have had any similar instances.
In short, starts first time with push button start when cold. (Handbrake on and foot on the pedal)
When I drive the car for 10 to 15 mins up to running temp and switch the car off it wont start.
Again, have the handbrake on, foot on the brake and which I push the start button I just hear a click but it wont turn over.
Its in at Aston/Al Habtoor in Dubai but I dont have much confidence in them to be honest. Apparently the system shows a "Fault - Central Locking" when the car is hot. What this has to do with the starter I don't quite see. They are apparently waiting for the response from the warranty dept in the UK (for the past week)
By the way, if I take the handbrake off but have my foot on the brake (I dont believe you need the handbrake on to start - Just your foot on the brake) - the "Brake light" appears every time I go to depress the start button. It led me to believe it was the switchgear on the footbrake but apparently they have checking this and its ok, I can also hear the click when I depress the pedal.
Wanted to ask if you have experienced this issue on a number of other Vanquish's in the past. I want to get back into the car asap.
Cheers
Luke
Hi Luke.In short, starts first time with push button start when cold. (Handbrake on and foot on the pedal)
When I drive the car for 10 to 15 mins up to running temp and switch the car off it wont start.
Again, have the handbrake on, foot on the brake and which I push the start button I just hear a click but it wont turn over.
Its in at Aston/Al Habtoor in Dubai but I dont have much confidence in them to be honest. Apparently the system shows a "Fault - Central Locking" when the car is hot. What this has to do with the starter I don't quite see. They are apparently waiting for the response from the warranty dept in the UK (for the past week)
By the way, if I take the handbrake off but have my foot on the brake (I dont believe you need the handbrake on to start - Just your foot on the brake) - the "Brake light" appears every time I go to depress the start button. It led me to believe it was the switchgear on the footbrake but apparently they have checking this and its ok, I can also hear the click when I depress the pedal.
Wanted to ask if you have experienced this issue on a number of other Vanquish's in the past. I want to get back into the car asap.
Cheers
Luke
Vanquish can be quirky and fault finding and rectification can be a head scratch and time consuming at times, even for the best of us. I have heard that some dealerships have quite high turnover of staff, this means that technician after technician will have to go on training courses and whilst Vanquish can be taught how to work on, there is no course better than years of experience caring and learning the cars quirky nature. Combine inexperience of Vanquish upkeep and a market where sales were not as significant as other sectors and it is easy to see why you encounter a problem when something more tricky than service / parts replacement is required.
The start button making the solenoid click means crank is enabled, which is a good thing as the problem must be isolated to the starter motor itself or power to it. The connection to starter from the power lead is a common problem and could well be this here. The starter motor could be faulty when hot or faulty wiring when hot (resistance will be higher) - this doesn't sound like a tricky problem to resolve to me??
Fault with central locking will not disable start and is a red herring if they rely on this diagnostic info. If you get a crank enable (something happens when you press the start button) there can be nothing wrong with any circuitry to enable or disable starting.
As i said, sounds like an easy problem to fix to me.
Let us know how you get on.
Bamford Rose itself gets an upgrade.....!
Thanks to many PH members who entrust their pride and joy with us to repair and service, those that take the plunge for upgrade projects and our Motorsport clients who we prepare and evolve racing cars for. We find ourselves in the fantastic situation, especially in these times, of reaching saturation point and out growing what our current facility allows is to deliver.
For the last 6 months and as many of you who have visited us have seen at different stages of development, out the back of our current workshop - we have something bigger and better...!
This new facility gives us much more space for drive-in /drive out service, and we will have one dedicated ramp and technician for service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for DB7 and Vanquish repair and service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for V8 and V12 upgrades.
We also keep our existing facility for long term projects and motorsport where cars occupy ramp for many weeks.
The other import benefit we get from our new workshop will be outside space which we intend to use for sales when we venture into that business. Anybody can sell cars, what we aim to deliver is the sale of an Aston with the Bamford Rose guaranty of history, quality and reliability with leading independent after sales service and support.
But for now having the extra ramps and technicians will mean we can keep up with the demand we appreciate and thank you all for. We will be having an open day to celebrate and besides coming for Pommehogsters catering we will be staging an interesting competition which the winner will receive some upgrade kit as the prize...!
Thanks to many PH members who entrust their pride and joy with us to repair and service, those that take the plunge for upgrade projects and our Motorsport clients who we prepare and evolve racing cars for. We find ourselves in the fantastic situation, especially in these times, of reaching saturation point and out growing what our current facility allows is to deliver.
For the last 6 months and as many of you who have visited us have seen at different stages of development, out the back of our current workshop - we have something bigger and better...!
This new facility gives us much more space for drive-in /drive out service, and we will have one dedicated ramp and technician for service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for DB7 and Vanquish repair and service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for V8 and V12 upgrades.
We also keep our existing facility for long term projects and motorsport where cars occupy ramp for many weeks.
The other import benefit we get from our new workshop will be outside space which we intend to use for sales when we venture into that business. Anybody can sell cars, what we aim to deliver is the sale of an Aston with the Bamford Rose guaranty of history, quality and reliability with leading independent after sales service and support.
But for now having the extra ramps and technicians will mean we can keep up with the demand we appreciate and thank you all for. We will be having an open day to celebrate and besides coming for Pommehogsters catering we will be staging an interesting competition which the winner will receive some upgrade kit as the prize...!
BamfordMike said:
Hi Luke.
Vanquish can be quirky and fault finding and rectification can be a head scratch and time consuming at times, even for the best of us. I have heard that some dealerships have quite high turnover of staff, this means that technician after technician will have to go on training courses and whilst Vanquish can be taught how to work on, there is no course better than years of experience caring and learning the cars quirky nature. Combine inexperience of Vanquish upkeep and a market where sales were not as significant as other sectors and it is easy to see why you encounter a problem when something more tricky than service / parts replacement is required.
The start button making the solenoid click means crank is enabled, which is a good thing as the problem must be isolated to the starter motor itself or power to it. The connection to starter from the power lead is a common problem and could well be this here. The starter motor could be faulty when hot or faulty wiring when hot (resistance will be higher) - this doesn't sound like a tricky problem to resolve to me??
Fault with central locking will not disable start and is a red herring if they rely on this diagnostic info. If you get a crank enable (something happens when you press the start button) there can be nothing wrong with any circuitry to enable or disable starting.
As i said, sounds like an easy problem to fix to me.
Let us know how you get on.
Thanks Mike. Vanquish can be quirky and fault finding and rectification can be a head scratch and time consuming at times, even for the best of us. I have heard that some dealerships have quite high turnover of staff, this means that technician after technician will have to go on training courses and whilst Vanquish can be taught how to work on, there is no course better than years of experience caring and learning the cars quirky nature. Combine inexperience of Vanquish upkeep and a market where sales were not as significant as other sectors and it is easy to see why you encounter a problem when something more tricky than service / parts replacement is required.
The start button making the solenoid click means crank is enabled, which is a good thing as the problem must be isolated to the starter motor itself or power to it. The connection to starter from the power lead is a common problem and could well be this here. The starter motor could be faulty when hot or faulty wiring when hot (resistance will be higher) - this doesn't sound like a tricky problem to resolve to me??
Fault with central locking will not disable start and is a red herring if they rely on this diagnostic info. If you get a crank enable (something happens when you press the start button) there can be nothing wrong with any circuitry to enable or disable starting.
As i said, sounds like an easy problem to fix to me.
Let us know how you get on.
Had an update from them and it seems as though there was an "Extra" cable attached to the battery. I have yet to find out exactly what that cable was powering, but it seems it may have been draining the power a little. This would make sense given what you said re higher resistance when the car was hot. I should be getting the car back today so we will see what unfolds.
Have spent a pretty penny since buying the car to get it mechanically perfect as it only as 7,000 miles and sat in the Qatari Royal Families garage for years. All upgrades done to gearbox and brakes and serviced about 50 times over the years despite never really seeing the tarmac. I love it though, far cry from my 997.Also replaced the engine cradle as they all seem to rust if you wash the cars and dont drive em as the water sits in the engine pan. (Kindly replaced by Aston Warranty dept free of charge when I bought the car...even though it wasnt under warranty) I bought the extended warranty for around 1,800 GBP for a year and its been worth every penny to date. New AC...New pulleys..etc..all covered just weeks after I took it out.
One other question I had for you, and I hope you dont mind, is re the brakes. I have the upgraded vented discs. I was getting brake squeak around 5mph and under average braking I was getting brake judder from the front. Anyways, to rule things out I replaced the pads front and rear (old pads had hairline cracks). This imporved it somewhat, they also cleaned up the discs and hubs and "Run in" the pads re Astons recommendations and shamfered the eges of the pads to prevent squeaking. (Sqeak has now gone).
The vibration and feedback had all but gone but some still remains. The dealer said that this happens on the vanquish, even with the upgraded brakes, but I find it hard to believe that a 175k supercar (In 2004 of course) would have an issue with slight brake judder.
I was thinking of "Skimming" the discs as a last resort, although I dont really want to do this as it will shorten the life of the discs.
Any thoughts or comments on the issue would be greatly appreaciate. And thanks for your time earlier. (I buy parts from the UK as they have are 450% more over here...so will aim to use you guys in future)
Regards
Luke
Hi Mike I have had my V8V for four and a half years so i am used to warning lights coming and going,even bought obd reader.For the second time in this time I have a coolant level warning light that has not gone away.The coolant is at the top completely full and now the obd says no codes but still have warning.Temp gauge reading spot on 9 o`clock as normal.
Do I just wait as normal or do I have a worry? 24000 miles 06 2000miles since service.
Do I just wait as normal or do I have a worry? 24000 miles 06 2000miles since service.
BamfordMike said:
Bamford Rose itself gets an upgrade.....!
Thanks to many PH members who entrust their pride and joy with us to repair and service, those that take the plunge for upgrade projects and our Motorsport clients who we prepare and evolve racing cars for. We find ourselves in the fantastic situation, especially in these times, of reaching saturation point and out growing what our current facility allows is to deliver.
For the last 6 months and as many of you who have visited us have seen at different stages of development, out the back of our current workshop - we have something bigger and better...!
This new facility gives us much more space for drive-in /drive out service, and we will have one dedicated ramp and technician for service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for DB7 and Vanquish repair and service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for V8 and V12 upgrades.
We also keep our existing facility for long term projects and motorsport where cars occupy ramp for many weeks.
The other import benefit we get from our new workshop will be outside space which we intend to use for sales when we venture into that business. Anybody can sell cars, what we aim to deliver is the sale of an Aston with the Bamford Rose guaranty of history, quality and reliability with leading independent after sales service and support.
But for now having the extra ramps and technicians will mean we can keep up with the demand we appreciate and thank you all for. We will be having an open day to celebrate and besides coming for Pommehogsters catering we will be staging an interesting competition which the winner will receive some upgrade kit as the prize...!
you have a kitchen for the bacon butties i hope....Thanks to many PH members who entrust their pride and joy with us to repair and service, those that take the plunge for upgrade projects and our Motorsport clients who we prepare and evolve racing cars for. We find ourselves in the fantastic situation, especially in these times, of reaching saturation point and out growing what our current facility allows is to deliver.
For the last 6 months and as many of you who have visited us have seen at different stages of development, out the back of our current workshop - we have something bigger and better...!
This new facility gives us much more space for drive-in /drive out service, and we will have one dedicated ramp and technician for service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for DB7 and Vanquish repair and service.
We will have one dedicated ramp and technician for V8 and V12 upgrades.
We also keep our existing facility for long term projects and motorsport where cars occupy ramp for many weeks.
The other import benefit we get from our new workshop will be outside space which we intend to use for sales when we venture into that business. Anybody can sell cars, what we aim to deliver is the sale of an Aston with the Bamford Rose guaranty of history, quality and reliability with leading independent after sales service and support.
But for now having the extra ramps and technicians will mean we can keep up with the demand we appreciate and thank you all for. We will be having an open day to celebrate and besides coming for Pommehogsters catering we will be staging an interesting competition which the winner will receive some upgrade kit as the prize...!
As the probably the most recent to have entrusted their 'pride and joy' to Mike and Adrian I can testify to how smart the new workshop will be...
It was great to get my V8V given a clean bill of health and to see how much extra care was taken looking over all the bits that might otherwise get missed.
For example (I just know I'm going to get shot down here), how many other garages do you know that check the air filter boxes (the filters are not on the list this service)to check for dead rodents etc... and when were your tyres manufactured ?
I learned a lot about my car and had it explained in a way that was kind to my 'ignorance'.
Looking forward to the year 6 service in your smart new home,
Thanks guys...
btw a warning to all those approaching from the south - between Moreton-in-Marsh and the workshop is a section of road with just the wrong frequency and depth of undulation for the V8V suspension - the front pan bottomed out on the road, luckily nothing to serious, that's what 59 mph gets you...
It was great to get my V8V given a clean bill of health and to see how much extra care was taken looking over all the bits that might otherwise get missed.
For example (I just know I'm going to get shot down here), how many other garages do you know that check the air filter boxes (the filters are not on the list this service)to check for dead rodents etc... and when were your tyres manufactured ?
I learned a lot about my car and had it explained in a way that was kind to my 'ignorance'.
Looking forward to the year 6 service in your smart new home,
Thanks guys...
btw a warning to all those approaching from the south - between Moreton-in-Marsh and the workshop is a section of road with just the wrong frequency and depth of undulation for the V8V suspension - the front pan bottomed out on the road, luckily nothing to serious, that's what 59 mph gets you...
VanquishDubai said:
Also replaced the engine cradle as they all seem to rust if you wash the cars and dont drive em as the water sits in the engine pan. (Kindly replaced by Aston Warranty dept free of charge when I bought the car...even though it wasnt under warranty)
The dealer said that this happens on the vanquish, even with the upgraded brakes, but I find it hard to believe that a 175k supercar (In 2004 of course) would have an issue with slight brake judder.
I was thinking of "Skimming" the discs as a last resort, although I dont really want to do this as it will shorten the life of the discs.
Have you read a locked thread 'My Vanquish nightmare'??, you got a great deal having the frame replaced FOC, it would seem, and unfortunately for the OP of that thread, the same level of great customer service is not the same in UK as appears to be in your territory.....The dealer said that this happens on the vanquish, even with the upgraded brakes, but I find it hard to believe that a 175k supercar (In 2004 of course) would have an issue with slight brake judder.
I was thinking of "Skimming" the discs as a last resort, although I dont really want to do this as it will shorten the life of the discs.
Here is the normal culprit for pedal / brake oscillation - corrosion.
once the corrosion is ground in and is left in this state for period of time the damage (excessive run-out) is done. Skimming is unwise because the min to max wear limit of the discs is a little over 2mm. Better to bite the bullet and buy new discs and pads (pads required because now your current pads will be worn to the shape of the old discs). With new kit you will have a great / normal feeling pedal and in this perfect state there will be no pedal / brake oscillation - you are correct in stating that poor pedal feel is not a normal Vanquish feature.
no probs for any questions you have - that what we are here for...!
tonyhall38 said:
you have a kitchen for the bacon butties i hope....
ha ha...Garage full of blokes, cant cook wont cook....
There is plenty of room to put the bacon sarnies the delivery wagon rustles up on a plate though, along with just enough room to put the danish pastries from the local bakery alongside too when those are bought in also
Although feel free to bring a pan and enough raw materials for a round for you and 4 blokes if you grace us with an appearance
cjt said:
As the probably the most recent to have entrusted their 'pride and joy' to Mike and Adrian I can testify to how smart the new workshop will be...
It was great to get my V8V given a clean bill of health and to see how much extra care was taken looking over all the bits that might otherwise get missed.
For example (I just know I'm going to get shot down here), how many other garages do you know that check the air filter boxes (the filters are not on the list this service)to check for dead rodents etc... and when were your tyres manufactured ?
I learned a lot about my car and had it explained in a way that was kind to my 'ignorance'.
Looking forward to the year 6 service in your smart new home,
Thanks guys...
btw a warning to all those approaching from the south - between Moreton-in-Marsh and the workshop is a section of road with just the wrong frequency and depth of undulation for the V8V suspension - the front pan bottomed out on the road, luckily nothing to serious, that's what 59 mph gets you...
Pleasure to meet you and your great looking Vantage.It was great to get my V8V given a clean bill of health and to see how much extra care was taken looking over all the bits that might otherwise get missed.
For example (I just know I'm going to get shot down here), how many other garages do you know that check the air filter boxes (the filters are not on the list this service)to check for dead rodents etc... and when were your tyres manufactured ?
I learned a lot about my car and had it explained in a way that was kind to my 'ignorance'.
Looking forward to the year 6 service in your smart new home,
Thanks guys...
btw a warning to all those approaching from the south - between Moreton-in-Marsh and the workshop is a section of road with just the wrong frequency and depth of undulation for the V8V suspension - the front pan bottomed out on the road, luckily nothing to serious, that's what 59 mph gets you...
..... come on.... I could tell from the exhaust note that you were at least 59.9 mph
That particular undulation is our test track for setting up the BR electronic switchable suspension system - in out stiff mode, and obviously the same 59.99999 mph speed setpoint - there is no grounding, on wallow mode, i mean soft mode, there might be the 'touch' you encountered.
Fosse way - who needs Nurburgring and on our doorstep..!
apotek said:
Hi Mike I have had my V8V for four and a half years so i am used to warning lights coming and going,even bought obd reader.For the second time in this time I have a coolant level warning light that has not gone away.The coolant is at the top completely full and now the obd says no codes but still have warning.Temp gauge reading spot on 9 o`clock as normal.
Do I just wait as normal or do I have a worry? 24000 miles 06 2000miles since service.
Hi.Do I just wait as normal or do I have a worry? 24000 miles 06 2000miles since service.
There are Pcodes for basic coolant temperature sensing problems
P0117 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Low Input,
P0118 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit High Input,
P0119 Engine Coolant Temperature Circuit Intermittent
and basic Pcodes for coolant level
P1881 Engine Coolant Level Switch Circuit Failure,
P1882 Engine Coolant Level Switch Circuit Short to Ground,
P1883 Engine Coolant Level Switch Circuit Failure,
P1884 Engine Coolant Level Lamp Circuit Short to Ground.
If you have read any of these, one will no doubt shed some light as to what is wrong. if none of the above codes then the level switch circuit is functioning fine pointing to the actual switch being broken and reading coolant level low.
We have seen the incorrect illumination of lamp on dash with correct level and the switch can sometimes be a common fail - as yours seems to be here. This is no cause of real worry if you keep a check on level and fix the problem at next service. The only (obvious) issue is that you have no working coolant level sensing and if you were to spring a leak, with the light permanently being on (and you being used to that), you will unlikely know about the cooling problem until it is too late.
Simple and cheap fix and in reality if you can put up with the warning on the dash the problem represents no real problem to worry over.
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