Toyota Aygo is there something wrong with my car?
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sunbeam alpine said:
BadBanshee said:
Not exactly a sports coupe, I know, but I like to drive it... enthusiastically... shall we say.
...It resists being put into 1st from anything above about 10mph unless you really force it...
And it sounds and feels as though when I put it in 3rd there's a click I haven't heard before...
Plus the interior is starting to rattle at certain engine speeds...
Also, there's a burning clutch smell when I change it quickly...
Starting to wonder, what if I'm neglecting my car?
I thought maybe your first post suggested you might have been mistreating it a bit - so I highlighted the bits which led me to think that it might not be enjoying your attentions as much as you seem to be....It resists being put into 1st from anything above about 10mph unless you really force it...
And it sounds and feels as though when I put it in 3rd there's a click I haven't heard before...
Plus the interior is starting to rattle at certain engine speeds...
Also, there's a burning clutch smell when I change it quickly...
Starting to wonder, what if I'm neglecting my car?
P.S. When I come back from a hoon all I have is the smell of leather, hot oil and the plink plink of an engine cooling.
BadBanshee said:
What's the difference? I can understand if you believe flooring it in first is wrong too, but if you're going at 10mph and you knock it down to 1st, you're revs are going to be much lower than if you floored it in first from setting off. When pushing hard I don't change up to 2nd gear until I'm at around 30mph. So at 10mph going from 2nd to 1st, doesn't seem like it should be a big deal at all.
Read up on how manual gearboxes work. Its all about having mechanical sympathy and not unnecessaryly putting wear on parts. It doesn't mean you can't use the performance of the car, or high revs in first.Next time, look at the revs at 10mph in first, then next time you change to first at 10mph match the revs before engaging the gear and feel how much smoother it is. Then learn about rev matched down gear changes.
BadBanshee said:
What's the difference? I can understand if you believe flooring it in first is wrong too, but if you're going at 10mph and you knock it down to 1st, you're revs are going to be much lower than if you floored it in first from setting off.
The difference is, accelerating hard means everything in the drivetrain is moving at the same relative (respective) speeds; changing down means you're smashing together parts that are moving at different speeds.Toecutter said:
A clutch replacemnt 6 months ago and no evidence of clutch adjustment (the clutch has now started to wear) is most probably what is causing you problems with difficulty in engaging gears.
I would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.
I have a full set of winter tyres (Continental Wintercontact TS800) with steel wheels for the Aygo in my garage, PM me if interested?
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would beI would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.
I have a full set of winter tyres (Continental Wintercontact TS800) with steel wheels for the Aygo in my garage, PM me if interested?
BadBanshee said:
Toecutter said:
I would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would beTake it to a garage to change it.
xRIEx said:
BadBanshee said:
Toecutter said:
I would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would beTake it to a garage to change it.
MercScot said:
So you don't know the difference between a brake fluid reservoir and a gearbox and you are complaining that a gearbox on a car never designed to be driven in the way you are driving it is poor?
I would suggest there is nothing wrong with that poor Aygo.
And I would suggest that your opinion doesn't matter I would suggest there is nothing wrong with that poor Aygo.
BadBanshee said:
xRIEx said:
It's in the gearbox
Take it to a garage to change it.
Oh haha . How likely is it that the gearbox fluid will have been changed when going through MOT/servicing?Take it to a garage to change it.
Servicing they should change it, but probably wont unless you ask.
Toyota have not helped here. In order to give good fuel figures to sell more cars they put very long gearing in, from memory
1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145
Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.
The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145
Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.
The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
AW35 said:
Toyota have not helped here. In order to give good fuel figures to sell more cars they put very long gearing in, from memory
1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145
Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.
The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
What are those figures for each gear?1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145
Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.
The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
BadBanshee said:
AW35 said:
Toyota have not helped here. In order to give good fuel figures to sell more cars they put very long gearing in, from memory
1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145
Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.
The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
The top speed in each gear, mph. 4th and 5th purely theoretical I understand
What are those figures for each gear?1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145
Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.
The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
The top speed in each gear, mph. 4th and 5th purely theoretical I understand
Yeah they looked like mph figures but 4th and 5th didn't make sense to me lol. 1st 2nd and 3rd looks just right from experience. So the long gearing might explain why I feel like 2nd at low speeds is just dead, confirming I'm not a complete idiot for wanting to go into 1st.... A Thank You!
BadBanshee said:
Yeah they looked like mph figures but 4th and 5th didn't make sense to me lol. 1st 2nd and 3rd looks just right from experience.
If the to speed is 95mph, I would guess that 90 is a theoretical top speed for 3rd; wind resistance becomes a significant factor above (I think) 40ish, and increases with the square of speed.xRIEx said:
If the to speed is 95mph, I would guess that 90 is a theoretical top speed for 3rd; wind resistance becomes a significant factor above (I think) 40ish, and increases with the square of speed.
90 is attainable in 3rd, does still take a while to get up there though. TTS do a Rotrex supercharger conversion which pushes the bhp from 68 to about 125. With this the gearing then becomes quite good I would imagine. 0-60 drops from 13+ seconds down to about 8.
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