Toyota Aygo is there something wrong with my car?

Toyota Aygo is there something wrong with my car?

Author
Discussion

BadBanshee

Original Poster:

650 posts

136 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
quotequote all
sunbeam alpine said:
BadBanshee said:
Not exactly a sports coupe, I know, but I like to drive it... enthusiastically... shall we say.

...It resists being put into 1st from anything above about 10mph unless you really force it...

And it sounds and feels as though when I put it in 3rd there's a click I haven't heard before...

Plus the interior is starting to rattle at certain engine speeds...

Also, there's a burning clutch smell when I change it quickly...

Starting to wonder, what if I'm neglecting my car?
I thought maybe your first post suggested you might have been mistreating it a bit - so I highlighted the bits which led me to think that it might not be enjoying your attentions as much as you seem to be.

smile

P.S. When I come back from a hoon all I have is the smell of leather, hot oil and the plink plink of an engine cooling. nuts
Maybe it's just that the Aygo has always had a gear change that's a bit of a pain, it's just that I didn't take much notice before. After all, it's not a sports car, so maybe the transmission never was Galaxy chocolate smooth. I like to push it a little, that's all.

RobCrezz

7,892 posts

207 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
What's the difference? I can understand if you believe flooring it in first is wrong too, but if you're going at 10mph and you knock it down to 1st, you're revs are going to be much lower than if you floored it in first from setting off. When pushing hard I don't change up to 2nd gear until I'm at around 30mph. So at 10mph going from 2nd to 1st, doesn't seem like it should be a big deal at all.
Read up on how manual gearboxes work. Its all about having mechanical sympathy and not unnecessaryly putting wear on parts. It doesn't mean you can't use the performance of the car, or high revs in first.

Next time, look at the revs at 10mph in first, then next time you change to first at 10mph match the revs before engaging the gear and feel how much smoother it is. Then learn about rev matched down gear changes.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
What's the difference? I can understand if you believe flooring it in first is wrong too, but if you're going at 10mph and you knock it down to 1st, you're revs are going to be much lower than if you floored it in first from setting off.
The difference is, accelerating hard means everything in the drivetrain is moving at the same relative (respective) speeds; changing down means you're smashing together parts that are moving at different speeds.

completetangent

1,165 posts

151 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
RobCrezz said:
Next time, look at the revs at 10mph in first, then next time you change to first at 10mph match the revs before engaging the gear and feel how much smoother it is. Then learn about rev matched down gear changes.
Um... hardly any Aygos have a revcounter.

liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
If you want to drop down into first when moving then double the clutch

BadBanshee

Original Poster:

650 posts

136 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
Toecutter said:
A clutch replacemnt 6 months ago and no evidence of clutch adjustment (the clutch has now started to wear) is most probably what is causing you problems with difficulty in engaging gears.

I would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.

I have a full set of winter tyres (Continental Wintercontact TS800) with steel wheels for the Aygo in my garage, PM me if interested?
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would be

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
Toecutter said:
I would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would be
It's in the gearbox wink

Take it to a garage to change it.

S10GTA

12,645 posts

166 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
xRIEx said:
BadBanshee said:
Toecutter said:
I would recommend replacing the gearbox fluid, it made a massive difference to the gearchange, especially in colder winter months.
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would be
It's in the gearbox wink

Take it to a garage to change it.
laugh

RobCrezz

7,892 posts

207 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would be
Theres a drain and fill holes on the gearbox underneath the car. Best take it to someone who can show you the first time.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
So you don't know the difference between a brake fluid reservoir and a gearbox and you are complaining that a gearbox on a car never designed to be driven in the way you are driving it is poor?

I would suggest there is nothing wrong with that poor Aygo.

SebastienClement

1,950 posts

139 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
Does gearbox fluid share the power steering fluid? (Top left) Can't see where else it would be
Where do you keep the engine in there? And why is the airbox where the engine should be?

confused

BadBanshee

Original Poster:

650 posts

136 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
MercScot said:
So you don't know the difference between a brake fluid reservoir and a gearbox and you are complaining that a gearbox on a car never designed to be driven in the way you are driving it is poor?

I would suggest there is nothing wrong with that poor Aygo.
And I would suggest that your opinion doesn't matter biggrin

BadBanshee

Original Poster:

650 posts

136 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
xRIEx said:
It's in the gearbox wink

Take it to a garage to change it.
Oh haha . How likely is it that the gearbox fluid will have been changed when going through MOT/servicing?

RobCrezz

7,892 posts

207 months

Thursday 29th November 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
xRIEx said:
It's in the gearbox wink

Take it to a garage to change it.
Oh haha . How likely is it that the gearbox fluid will have been changed when going through MOT/servicing?
MOT isnt servicing its just making sure the car is roadworthy.

Servicing they should change it, but probably wont unless you ask.

AW35

63 posts

136 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
quotequote all
Toyota have not helped here. In order to give good fuel figures to sell more cars they put very long gearing in, from memory

1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145

Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.

The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.




BadBanshee

Original Poster:

650 posts

136 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
quotequote all
AW35 said:
Toyota have not helped here. In order to give good fuel figures to sell more cars they put very long gearing in, from memory

1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145

Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.

The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.
What are those figures for each gear?

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

190 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
AW35 said:
Toyota have not helped here. In order to give good fuel figures to sell more cars they put very long gearing in, from memory

1st approx 30-33
2nd about 65
3rd 90
4th 120+
5th 145

Considering it has 68bhp and top speed is 96mph those are quite ridiculous and means lots of cog swapping to keep up with traffic. 50-70 in 5th is more than 20 seconds, bad if you are on a multilane road.

The engine sounds good when extended (luckily) as it is a 3 pot of course.

The top speed in each gear, mph. 4th and 5th purely theoretical I understand biggrin
What are those figures for each gear?

BadBanshee

Original Poster:

650 posts

136 months

Tuesday 4th December 2012
quotequote all
Yeah they looked like mph figures but 4th and 5th didn't make sense to me lol. 1st 2nd and 3rd looks just right from experience. So the long gearing might explain why I feel like 2nd at low speeds is just dead, confirming I'm not a complete idiot for wanting to go into 1st.... A Thank You! biggrin

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Tuesday 4th December 2012
quotequote all
BadBanshee said:
Yeah they looked like mph figures but 4th and 5th didn't make sense to me lol. 1st 2nd and 3rd looks just right from experience.
If the to speed is 95mph, I would guess that 90 is a theoretical top speed for 3rd; wind resistance becomes a significant factor above (I think) 40ish, and increases with the square of speed.

AW35

63 posts

136 months

Thursday 6th December 2012
quotequote all
xRIEx said:
If the to speed is 95mph, I would guess that 90 is a theoretical top speed for 3rd; wind resistance becomes a significant factor above (I think) 40ish, and increases with the square of speed.
90 is attainable in 3rd, does still take a while to get up there though.

TTS do a Rotrex supercharger conversion which pushes the bhp from 68 to about 125. With this the gearing then becomes quite good I would imagine. 0-60 drops from 13+ seconds down to about 8.