Just bought a GT86

[nickfrog]

They are the same car apart from spring rates which make the Subaru more neutral, a little less understeer but less snappy on the throttle or on weight transfers than the Toyota. But the difference in handling remains small. I would have preferred the BRZ handling but I was open to both and bought on value for money. The Toyotas are cheaper, higher volume I suspect.

[After_Shock]

patmahe said:

just need price to drop and life to stop getting in the way.

They had the basic 86 on a crazy offer in the middle east at the end of summer, just over 13k brand new! Unbelievable value for money.

[LordGrover]

nickfrog said:

They are the same car apart from spring rates which make the Subaru more neutral, a little less understeer but less snappy on the throttle or on weight transfers than the Toyota. But the difference in handling remains small. I would have preferred the BRZ handling but I was open to both and bought on value for money. The Toyotas are cheaper, higher volume I suspect.

Interesting, where did you get that? All the journo chatter/reviews at the time said the opposite (if any difference discernable)- BRZ has more understeer and the GT 86 more oversteer in line with Subaru AWD users being more accustomed to understeer. I certainly found the stock setup on the GT 86 quite tail happy. Never driven the BRZ though.

[nickfrog]

Just based on driving both I foubdw BRZ does understeer less on turn in but the softer rear springs give a wider area of neutrality from the apex, it even push understeers on a light throttle whereas the GT86 has an abrupt transition under power. It is snappy courtesy of the stiffer rear springs. We are talking nuances here anyway, they'll both do pretty much anything you ask them, which is great.
There was a good comparo here http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2878...

Edited by nickfrog on Monday 16th February 14:00