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Been looking at these for a while, there's one up locally http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Thing is I can't get a handle on a clear way to confirm it's an LSD equipped car. I know it was introduced for MY10 but have seen it said the bottom of the steering wheel should have a blue section if it's an LSD equipped car.
Anyone any idea?
Thing is I can't get a handle on a clear way to confirm it's an LSD equipped car. I know it was introduced for MY10 but have seen it said the bottom of the steering wheel should have a blue section if it's an LSD equipped car.
Anyone any idea?
The 2010-on cars all had an LSD - a blue strip of leather at the bottom of the steering wheel shows if this is a 2010 on car with LSD. The fact the pic in the ad shows it doesn't have this means it was a 2009 car registered in 2010, so, no, this one doesn't have an LSD.
hope that helps.
hope that helps.
Blue One said:
The 2010-on cars all had an LSD - a blue strip of leather at the bottom of the steering wheel shows if this is a 2010 on car with LSD. The fact the pic in the ad shows it doesn't have this means it was a 2009 car registered in 2010, so, no, this one doesn't have an LSD.
hope that helps.
Yeh thanks, I did suspect as much. Went and had a look at it they confirmed, nice car but lack of lsd broke the deal for me. Drove nicely though, needed some work on the paint in places as there were a few scratches that looked like they'd need colour to hide them properly and some nasty looking scuffing on the rear bumper.hope that helps.
Other than that though was good, needed an interior panel replacing, I'm super fussy so maybe someone else would take it in a pinch.
There are lots of threads on the UK and US Lexus ISF forums about this. I've owned both the LSD and pre-LDS models and both are good, you apparently don't really notice any difference except on track. Another big difference is the pre-LSD cars also had firmer suspension, for many it makes the car feel more sporty, but both are good.
To your point on scuffs, the paint on modern Lexi is very soft so paintchips etc. are hard to avoid so expect to see that on any honest ISF with some mileage. On my second ISF I had paint shield put on the front to give some protection...
To your point on scuffs, the paint on modern Lexi is very soft so paintchips etc. are hard to avoid so expect to see that on any honest ISF with some mileage. On my second ISF I had paint shield put on the front to give some protection...
Edited by Blue One on Saturday 8th October 15:32
Thanks, I'll definitely take that on board. Still pretty sure it wasn't the right one for me though, I'm undecided on the red having seen it in person. Maybe it'd look better with a good polish.
Still, keeping my eyes out. Looked at the M3 and C63s again as the more common alternatives but they still just don't do it for me for some reason.
Still, keeping my eyes out. Looked at the M3 and C63s again as the more common alternatives but they still just don't do it for me for some reason.
Yet to have a look around that car. Need to go to the same dealer to discuss buying a warranty for my ISF so will have a gander at it when I do. As others have said the lack of mechanical LSD isn't really an issue on the ISF. The paint is VERY soft on them so they can pick up marks if not washed properly.
I had a look at the E92 M3 saloon and a C63 saloon as well as the ISF and decided to go the left field route. I've enjoyed it but mine might be up for sale in a few months as I have that stupid tendency to change cars every year or so.
I had a look at the E92 M3 saloon and a C63 saloon as well as the ISF and decided to go the left field route. I've enjoyed it but mine might be up for sale in a few months as I have that stupid tendency to change cars every year or so.
Had a look around it yesterday when I dropped by the dealers to discuss a few things. Sadly it was raining at the time so I couldn't judge the paintwork properly. Mine will be going in to the dealer to get the waterpump replaced soon. After that I'll have it detailed and the wheels refurbed before it gets advertised.
delta0 said:
LSD on rear wheel drive is definitely worth it. My Rx8 R3 with rwd has an LSD and it is tremendous.
Admittedly my bias towards some form of mechanical LSD centres around a life of FWD cars that are terrible without them and simulators that focus around lap times on race tracks....I'm not intending to track it at all, but I do enjoy a spirited drive so much so that I can imagine (maybe incorrectly) an LSD making it 'better' along with potentially a more desirable car should I come to sell it on.
There's still a few up but none that really tick the boxes, a silver 11 plate but with a bit too many miles is the nearest. The Blue one would be perfect (simply due to the colour) but being cat C that's out.
giblet said:
Had a look around it yesterday when I dropped by the dealers to discuss a few things. Sadly it was raining at the time so I couldn't judge the paintwork properly. Mine will be going in to the dealer to get the waterpump replaced soon. After that I'll have it detailed and the wheels refurbed before it gets advertised.
Generally it was in good shape, bit of interior needed replacing but there were scratches on more than one panel that imo would have needed paint to rectify properly. Not a bad car, I'm still mulling over whether to go back and try haggle a bit more or not even though it's not ideal spec... Edited by GrumpyTwig on Wednesday 12th October 21:11
I know you what mean about the interior. The plastic centre piece in the rear marks very easily. Mine is in good nick though. 
I'll be at the PHSS at Silverstone next weekend, looks like another ISF is on the list too. I have a slot booked for the first novice session at 09:35. You are more than welcome to ride along if you want a first hand view of what it is like on track. I've never tracked it before and won't really be pushing it.
I'll be at the PHSS at Silverstone next weekend, looks like another ISF is on the list too. I have a slot booked for the first novice session at 09:35. You are more than welcome to ride along if you want a first hand view of what it is like on track. I've never tracked it before and won't really be pushing it.
Edited by giblet on Wednesday 12th October 21:34
I believe this very car was discussed some time ago on the UK forum. The sat nav/stereo system buttons are piano black rather than the dark grey of the 2008 and 2009 MY cars. But it's certainly not a 2010 car with an LSD as that would have a blue section at the bottom of the steering wheel.
As stated it doesn't have the LSD but has the newer buttons (or these have been replaced for the newer type at some point).
Agreed regarding soft paint, but they are great cars and relatively discreet apart from the stacked exhausts compared with alternatives such as the RS4, C63 and M3 which was one of the reasons I chose one. The reliability is no different to other Toyota and Lexus cars as well. (Leaking water pumps were an issue on 2008/9 models but this will probably have been sorted, if not keep an eye on it.) You won't miss the LSD unless you track it or drive very hard on a regular basis - in my opinion.
Only downsides to be aware of - it is a four seater and the rear seats don't fold. The gearbox isn't up there compared with the latest generation of 8 speed boxes but I certainly have no complaints with shifting - nice and relaxed in normal mode and savage in manual sport mode.
The overall ownership experience makes up for the technical deficiencies on a track compared with the E92 M3 of the time (which were addressed on the facelift model with LED DRLs built into the headlights - MY2012 I think) and the induction roar when you exceed 3700rpm is very addictive!
As stated it doesn't have the LSD but has the newer buttons (or these have been replaced for the newer type at some point).
Agreed regarding soft paint, but they are great cars and relatively discreet apart from the stacked exhausts compared with alternatives such as the RS4, C63 and M3 which was one of the reasons I chose one. The reliability is no different to other Toyota and Lexus cars as well. (Leaking water pumps were an issue on 2008/9 models but this will probably have been sorted, if not keep an eye on it.) You won't miss the LSD unless you track it or drive very hard on a regular basis - in my opinion.
Only downsides to be aware of - it is a four seater and the rear seats don't fold. The gearbox isn't up there compared with the latest generation of 8 speed boxes but I certainly have no complaints with shifting - nice and relaxed in normal mode and savage in manual sport mode.
The overall ownership experience makes up for the technical deficiencies on a track compared with the E92 M3 of the time (which were addressed on the facelift model with LED DRLs built into the headlights - MY2012 I think) and the induction roar when you exceed 3700rpm is very addictive!
delta0 said:
LSD on rear wheel drive is definitely worth it. My Rx8 R3 with rwd has an LSD and it is tremendous.
That doesn't mean it's worth having on an IS-F.........certainly if the right car came along and it didn't have an LSD, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me if I was in the market. I used to take ours across the same back roads in Hampshire that I used my Evo on, drove them both like I'd stolen them when the opportunity arose, hard to see how an LSD could make enough difference to justify the extra cost for a road car. The IS-f handles extremely well as standard, but the ride is pretty ridiculous, we put 16 way adjustable Tien suspension on ours, took the edge off the ride, didn't upset the handling.If you plan on doing trackdays, the extra expense of a later LSD car would make more sense. How often do you reckon the LSD would really be worth the extra outlay as a road car? Drive both maybe, you might save some money?
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