which 5k jap coupe
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5K buys a excellent example Generation 5 Celica GT4 Carlos Sainz. The change from the 5K will go towards insuring it. Effortlessly modified to 300BHP, AWD and a turbo.
The grandaddy of early nineties Rally cars and much sought after Celica in grand tourer market form. Forget MR2, in a jiffy!
The grandaddy of early nineties Rally cars and much sought after Celica in grand tourer market form. Forget MR2, in a jiffy!
Mr E said:
200SX if you need rear seats (of sorts)
MR2 tubby if you don't.
At 21, you might find insurance on a tubby an issue (they're all imports).
There aren't many imported 200SXs around - not when second hand prices of UK models have been so keen. I'd go for a S14a 200SX. Your budget can stretch that far. I've got one and I think it's great!
Proper RWD performance, reliability and reasonable running costs. Also, it costs just a couple of hundred quid to get a safe 230 bhp.
carlosfandango2 said:
5K buys a excellent example Generation 5 Celica GT4 Carlos Sainz. The change from the 5K will go towards insuring it. Effortlessly modified to 300BHP, AWD and a turbo.
The grandaddy of early nineties Rally cars and much sought after Celica in grand tourer market form. Forget MR2, in a jiffy!
Did someone mention "Transmission Losses"?
200sx will win hands down on the handling stakes every time. Tubbies are fast and fun.
You can buy a lardy looking S14 200sx and insure it for less than 5k. Bog standard 200bhp is enough & yes you can drift it just about everywhere if you wanted too.
Also 200sx can be DIY'd easy enough not the same for tubbies.
You can buy a lardy looking S14 200sx and insure it for less than 5k. Bog standard 200bhp is enough & yes you can drift it just about everywhere if you wanted too.
Also 200sx can be DIY'd easy enough not the same for tubbies.
Pierscoe1 said:
you'd really rate the 200sx over a tubby or 300zx for handling? I thought they were a bit "big-car-spongy" in standard trim? obviously would go well with some Tein or whatever strapped on though..
Handling, not traction or outright speed. Tubbies have more grip/traction but the fun (read handling) envelope is very very small, 300zx is similar to a tubby in some ways.
Handling is the way a car reacts to inputs & how easy & how nice it is to reach & define its ultimate envelope. A nice handling car shouldnt bite you in the bum when poked.
cptsideways said:
Handling is the way a car reacts to inputs
yep.. I know what handling means!
I just thought that 200sx's didn't have that great a reputation as far as handling goes.. obviously they're driftable, but what about crisp turn-in, steering weight and feel, adjustability on the limit, transition from understeer to oversteer etc etc.
don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say thery don't 'handle', I'm just surprised that's all, as they were built as a execu-barge motorway bashing kind of car really... how would you rate their handling against the likes of FD RX7's, Evos, Supras etc etc.
genuinely interested, as I'm thinking about an S15 (quite a few important revisions, but essentially a similar car) for my next car...
Having had an S14, ST185, and a couple FD's I have to say the handling on the S14 is the worst. Infact id say it was worse than my GTiR too which was really fun, though a bit understeery.
Id say overall out of the lot of them its just the worst car, but its the easiest one to live with and has lots of potential if you want to tune it.
Dont much like the S14 to be honest, but its pretty cheap and good value for money.
>> Edited by Pulsatingstar on Wednesday 4th May 14:07
Id say overall out of the lot of them its just the worst car, but its the easiest one to live with and has lots of potential if you want to tune it.
Dont much like the S14 to be honest, but its pretty cheap and good value for money.
>> Edited by Pulsatingstar on Wednesday 4th May 14:07
Pierscoe1 said:
they were built as a execu-barge motorway bashing kind of car really
I take it you have not been in one then?
They are very light for what they are and dont have the sound proofing of an "execu-barge". You'd have heard that if you'd been in one!
They are lighter than the S13!
Disagree. I think it is an exec barge good at motorways. Thats the place I found mine best. I even got 38mpg out of it (over 400 miles on one tank), which was pretty impressive.
I dont know they weigh, but S14s arnt that heavy really. That said, its not as light as my FD either. Ive not driven an S13, but I get the impression its more od a drivers car than the S14. I didnt want a CA18 though, or loads of rust.
I dont know they weigh, but S14s arnt that heavy really. That said, its not as light as my FD either. Ive not driven an S13, but I get the impression its more od a drivers car than the S14. I didnt want a CA18 though, or loads of rust.
which £5k Jap Coupe?
easy -
this one:
www.pistonheads.co.uk/members/showcar.asp?carId=19021
low milage too!
mail me if your interested!
easy -
this one:
www.pistonheads.co.uk/members/showcar.asp?carId=19021
low milage too!
mail me if your interested!
eight said:
Try here for 200sx related things - pretty good comunity setup for them.
www.sxoc.com/
yep.. been there lots, but sadly you're not likely to get that much un-biased debate against other cars on there... and you will get rather a lot of "S14's the best" with maybe a little bit of "no, S13's are best" thrown in for good measure...
I haven't been in one, so just going from what I've read.. sadly of which there isn't that much.
Pstar, can I ask why you dislike it so much?
again, I haven't driven one, but they share a LOT of suspension components with the skyline, which is widely acclaimed, and the S15 gets an LSD too. They obviously have a decent weight-balance judging by their prevelance in drifting, and as said are really quite light for the size of car.
is there a more suitable rwd, smallish (supras too big), powerful coupe for <15k (no bmw's please, just don't like them)? as said, I'd be looking at an S15, so it has the extras of LSD, 250bhp standard, increased body stiffness, lower ride-height, and looks better
Pierscoe1 said:
[quote=eight]
I haven't been in one, so just going from what I've read.. sadly of which there isn't that much.
Pstar, can I ask why you dislike it so much?
again, I haven't driven one, but they share a LOT of suspension components with the skyline, which is widely acclaimed, and the S15 gets an LSD too. They obviously have a decent weight-balance judging by their prevelance in drifting, and as said are really quite light for the size of car.
Its not that I dislike it as such, but compared to other stuff its just not what id like. Its just not a sports car. Its a RWD saloon and as at that I guess it does a good job, but I want more than that. Its reliable, and relativly cheap though and has a lot of potential if you want to tune it to make it good.
I bought it as a stop gap while my RX7 was being fixed, but have still got it (and the RX7).
Compared to the RX7 it couldnt feel any more different. One of them is a proper sports car, and the other basically a RWD saloon for execs to bomb up the motorway with imho. My RX7 is slightly tuned, but the performance is no-where close. Cornering, stopping, accelerating - all over; and I still think the FD is lighter despite whats said here lol. Its problem is its expensive, or rather the fuel is expensive!
I loved my old Pulsar GTiR and would still have another now (although the Max Power boy racer image has tarnished it these days). When I got the S14, I was hoping it would feel like a RWD Pulsar. It doesnt. The Pulsar engine was really responsive, and really revvy. This revs much slower, and not as high and generally feels lethargic and lazy. The suspension is really soft and rolls loads. Its not chuckable at all. It doesnt handle that well, although you can take the piss with it and get it back easily enough. I would do things in it I wouldnt consider with the RX7 because it would kill me.
Anyway Ive kept it now and am using it as my drift car as doing it with the RX7 was just going to cost too much. Ive changed the standard diff (which is so useless it may as well not exist) for a Nismo item. Changed the suspension for Apexi stuff.
The S15 does have a better diff, and looks much better too. I do like the S15, and would consider one but there isnt many here.
Hmm, I cant remember what else was said so I might reply again in a minute. Sorry for making this a bit long.
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