Which Jap Car?
Discussion
Don't know about these so called manufacturers top speed claims but i've seen 155 leptons on my leptometer on a deserted straight road in deepest darkest somewhere, and the Bentley keeping up with me decided it had enough when a long sweepeing bend appeard a little way ahead.....suffice to it got smaller in my rear view mirror very quickly and i never saw it again 
So much for Subaru's claim of 143
So much for Subaru's claim of 143
The MR2 Turbo is a fantastic tool, you need to adopt a certain driving style to get the best from them but they can be very fast indeed. They are very involving and can be massively rewarding when you get it right. One thing that appears not to be covered in this debate is reliability.
ScoobieWRX said:
Judgement reserved for now then but i still think what i said before...and coupled with a halfway competent driver i still think the scooby is the winner but perhaps i'll just beg to differ on this one
I suppose like most things there is only one way to prove it really and that's by tasting the pudding - Std MR2 v Std WRX at the pod and on a track
ScoobieWRX I suppose like most things there is only one way to prove it really and that's by tasting the pudding - Std MR2 v Std WRX at the pod and on a track
I own a scoob and to be honest i feel a lot happier pushing the limits on the scoob than i do on a RWD car. I think the difference would be mainly in the driver to make the most of his car.
MrFlibbles said:
You've fitted a turbo?
Well, people kept telling me that my car had no torque and was really inflexible and generally difficult to drive...and clearly the majority are right*, so what else was I to do!?!
- And the Scoobies and Boxsters that I wasted, and that 335Ci that couldn't actually gain any distance...none of them were trying after all...I've been deluding myself into thinking I've a fast car, when in reality it's only good for transporting curling tongs and hair dye...
Gazboy said:
Your PS sort of voids your point about Subaru's claim then.
My Scooby isn't hugely different from standard apart from a GroupN backbox, Green Panel Filter and Snorkus mod. I still have all 3 cats in place so although it is breathing and sounding better there isn't a huge amount of difference.It's only in the last few months that i have been doing my own mapping and i still have all 3 cats in place, but at the time all i had done was the above mods. Not really earth shattering mods over standard are they?, and certainly nothing like sticking a turbo on a normally aspirated car, now thats a major mod!!
Gazboy said:
A 335Ci should make you look like you ran into a vat of treacle mate.
He did...but only by braking ON a roundabout down to <15mph then booting it uphill on torque, leaving me floundering in low revs in 2nd because I won't abuse the powertrain by shifting into 1st while moving.First time though (and I know he'd seen me before he pulled out to overtake the truck in front of us), there was no perceptible difference from 40 up to a speed I won't repeat on here...but then I'd dropped it into 2nd as I saw the gap approaching, so was ready for him.
bhp/tonne is a lot closer than you'd think - think it's 184 vs 192...the overly-lardy 335's only advantage is a bloody thick torque curve! Have to confess I was rather surprised...
havoc said:
MrFlibbles said:
You've fitted a turbo?
Well, people kept telling me that my car had no torque and was really inflexible and generally difficult to drive...and clearly the majority are right*, so what else was I to do!?!- And the Scoobies and Boxsters that I wasted, and that 335Ci that couldn't actually gain any distance...none of them were trying after all...I've been deluding myself into thinking I've a fast car, when in reality it's only good for transporting curling tongs and hair dye...
stara said:
how have you managed to get your torque so high as to out accelerate a 335i in gear, is it a standard gearbox? you must be approaching sub 4s 0-60 sprints. tell us more, i for one am intrigued.
Who said it was in-gear?!? I dropped it two cogs to get the rpm to just over 6k...start of my 'proper' power band. That's what you do when you've got a peaky engine, you use a gearbox (
)...just go ask Messrs Schumacher and Alonso!!!Oh...and the 335...I was just keeping pace with him...so call it a draw that first run when I could use the 'box, a loss the second time when he pratted around on the roundabout...
Re-read my post - the bhp/tonne of the 335Ci is very similar to the S2000...why is my post so hard for you to believe?!?
As for Scooby's and Boxsters...bhp/tonne again matey for the Boxster, and transmission losses for the Scooby...hell, my old 'teg could beat stock WRX's! We're not talking off-the-line drag races here, we're talking real-world performance. Not that I was racing at any point, of course.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but n/asp cars CAN be quite quick sometimes...
PS - apologies for thread hijack...was supposed to be just a throwaway quip to start with...
Edited by havoc on Wednesday 22 August 09:35
Can I add my 2p?
(We should put these S2ks vs the world debate in another thread)
On the way to the ring Al and I had a bit of a drag up to 1.2 leptons from a 1st gear roll on. The Impreza (280bhp?) was slightly quicker but not by much)
Also, a few weeks ago I had a play with a 530d which was pretty even. (Rather disappointly, i knew they were quick, but wasnt expecting it)
The thing about the Honda is that it just doesnt feel quick, cause of the lack of torque.
(We should put these S2ks vs the world debate in another thread)
On the way to the ring Al and I had a bit of a drag up to 1.2 leptons from a 1st gear roll on. The Impreza (280bhp?) was slightly quicker but not by much)
Also, a few weeks ago I had a play with a 530d which was pretty even. (Rather disappointly, i knew they were quick, but wasnt expecting it)
The thing about the Honda is that it just doesnt feel quick, cause of the lack of torque.
MrFlibbles said:
(We should put these S2ks vs the world debate in another thread)
Oh...talking of 5-diesels, MattOz in his 535d pointedly WOULDN'T lose any ground to me on the way back from a meet the other month...off a r-bout from say 30mph in 2nd (so a little shy of VTEC, but still...I was in front controlling the pace!) up to the D-C limit...his quote about it afterwards 'I was just riding the torque'!
MrFlibbles said:
On the way to the ring Al and I had a bit of a drag up to 1.2 leptons from a 1st gear roll on. The Impreza (280bhp?) was slightly quicker but not by much)
I think we figured from the MY that his WRX is probably 240-250 bhp, and 1250-1300 kg. So that sounds about right for it to be even-ish with an S2k, the extra turbo-torque and short gearing being cancelled out somewhat by drivetrain losses and answered by the higher rev range and slightly lighter weight (I think?) of the S2k.Buffie said:
Celica GT4.
Turbo, Jap, 4wd About £6,000. Rarer that a scoobie and easy to get them 300bhp + with a boost controller.
Sorted!
Louise
Agreed .. the only 4wd rally wannabe I'd own .. Turbo, Jap, 4wd About £6,000. Rarer that a scoobie and easy to get them 300bhp + with a boost controller.
Sorted!
Louise
Scoobies are just far too common and Evo's seem to attract the wrong type of owners.
3s-GTE's are fairly bombproof. (And MR2 Turbo's will beat scoobies easy. I kept on thrashing a mates scoobie round Nur and we had similar mods).
Mk1 MR2 .. too 80's. I don't own a piano tie and I couldn't listen to Duran Duran all day.
Mk2 MR2 .. Good car, but they are getting tired now. Also attracting the wrong crowd as they are cheap.
Edited by Bibbs on Friday 24th August 16:37
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