Which Jap Car?
Discussion
a word of caution if you are considering a scoob is it's the car everyone (apart from scoob owners) loves to hate, everyone, and i mean everyone in any car remotely resembling a peformance car feels it is their duty to try to drive faster than the scoob driver, and then bizzarely declare that they have "annihilated" or "wasted" or "easily beat" a scoob, when in reality the 'on the road' difference is negligable in similar powered cars and can only be considered on par with the scoob when driving at 'sensible' speeds (apart from bends and anything other than a dry road, sorry to, ahem, 'burst your bubble', but that's what 4wd performance cars are for).
I think half the problem is that a lot of people that own cars they think are performance cars like to fantasize about beating higher performance cars. The ubiquitous scooby being one of the most popular choices to fantasize about beating, because in reality they know that if they actually tried it on with a serious scooby driver they would be seriously embarrased. But you know what some people are like.....full of 5hit!!
The moment they overtake a scooby that was mearely mulling along they think they actually beat one, and like to brag about their exploits on forums like PH. Dreamers!!
The reality is these people actually haven't got a performance car, they can't drive worth a damn and if they tried chasing a scooby with a half decent driver behind the wheel they wouldn't see which way it went. It really is one of those cars people love to hate, and it isn't until they are shown the error of their ways that they realise it was all in their minds!!
Lets face it....despite what it looks like, you want a scooby but you can't afford the car or the insurance so the next best thing is to imagine your little shed is a Scooby eater, and that Scoobys are crap...awwww
The moment they overtake a scooby that was mearely mulling along they think they actually beat one, and like to brag about their exploits on forums like PH. Dreamers!!
The reality is these people actually haven't got a performance car, they can't drive worth a damn and if they tried chasing a scooby with a half decent driver behind the wheel they wouldn't see which way it went. It really is one of those cars people love to hate, and it isn't until they are shown the error of their ways that they realise it was all in their minds!!
Lets face it....despite what it looks like, you want a scooby but you can't afford the car or the insurance so the next best thing is to imagine your little shed is a Scooby eater, and that Scoobys are crap...awwww
ScoobieWRX said:
I think half the problem is that a lot of people that own cars they think are performance cars like to fantasize about beating higher performance cars. The ubiquitous scooby being one of the most popular choices to fantasize about beating, because in reality they know that if they actually tried it on with a serious scooby driver they would be seriously embarrased. But you know what some people are like.....full of 5hit!!
The moment they overtake a scooby that was mearely mulling along they think they actually beat one, and like to brag about their exploits on forums like PH. Dreamers!!
The reality is these people actually haven't got a performance car, they can't drive worth a damn and if they tried chasing a scooby with a half decent driver behind the wheel they wouldn't see which way it went. It really is one of those cars people love to hate, and it isn't until they are shown the error of their ways that they realise it was all in their minds!!
Lets face it....despite what it looks like, you want a scooby but you can't afford the car or the insurance so the next best thing is to imagine your little shed is a Scooby eater, and that Scoobys are crap...awwww
Big words. There is a lot of my cock is bigger than your cock going on here where the original OP was asking for a guide on which jap car. As usual it has turned into a Scoobie vs everyone else thread where nothing useful is getting said. The moment they overtake a scooby that was mearely mulling along they think they actually beat one, and like to brag about their exploits on forums like PH. Dreamers!!
The reality is these people actually haven't got a performance car, they can't drive worth a damn and if they tried chasing a scooby with a half decent driver behind the wheel they wouldn't see which way it went. It really is one of those cars people love to hate, and it isn't until they are shown the error of their ways that they realise it was all in their minds!!
Lets face it....despite what it looks like, you want a scooby but you can't afford the car or the insurance so the next best thing is to imagine your little shed is a Scooby eater, and that Scoobys are crap...awwww
I would say the advice given has been pretty accurate so far in that a Supra, Skyline Evo, Scooby or RX7 are your best bets for bag per buck but its all down to personal taste.
Supra and RX7 are RWD Lairy beasts that need to be treated with respect.
Skylines are all out rapid machines with some serious potential.
Scoobies and Evo's are the affordable 4wd quick out the box Japanese go karts which is why they are so popular.
danrc said:
ScoobieWRX said:
I think half the problem is that a lot of people that own cars they think are performance cars like to fantasize about beating higher performance cars. The ubiquitous scooby being one of the most popular choices to fantasize about beating, because in reality they know that if they actually tried it on with a serious scooby driver they would be seriously embarrased. But you know what some people are like.....full of 5hit!!
The moment they overtake a scooby that was mearely mulling along they think they actually beat one, and like to brag about their exploits on forums like PH. Dreamers!!
The reality is these people actually haven't got a performance car, they can't drive worth a damn and if they tried chasing a scooby with a half decent driver behind the wheel they wouldn't see which way it went. It really is one of those cars people love to hate, and it isn't until they are shown the error of their ways that they realise it was all in their minds!!
Lets face it....despite what it looks like, you want a scooby but you can't afford the car or the insurance so the next best thing is to imagine your little shed is a Scooby eater, and that Scoobys are crap...awwww
Big words. There is a lot of my cock is bigger than your cock going on here where the original OP was asking for a guide on which jap car. As usual it has turned into a Scoobie vs everyone else thread where nothing useful is getting said. The moment they overtake a scooby that was mearely mulling along they think they actually beat one, and like to brag about their exploits on forums like PH. Dreamers!!
The reality is these people actually haven't got a performance car, they can't drive worth a damn and if they tried chasing a scooby with a half decent driver behind the wheel they wouldn't see which way it went. It really is one of those cars people love to hate, and it isn't until they are shown the error of their ways that they realise it was all in their minds!!
Lets face it....despite what it looks like, you want a scooby but you can't afford the car or the insurance so the next best thing is to imagine your little shed is a Scooby eater, and that Scoobys are crap...awwww
I think what this thread has done is actually brought out the passions people have for their respective cars in many ways. However, if you read right the way back in this thread you'll see the Civic owners/lovers are the ones saying my Civic kept up with or overtook or beat, a Scooby!!! So if there's any my cock is bigger than yours going on check out the Civic corner (your fellow Civic contingency no less) for any of that.
Which Jap car....well your guess is as good as mine but all i know is i chose the scooby for several good reasons. None of those reasons however having anything to do with Chav image or otherwise.
IT sucks fuel like it's gone out of fashion but who the hell cares. In the right hands it handles extremely well, is a lot of fun to drive and goes like the clappers. Coupled with that is exceptional reliability and bullet proof mechanics. You service it every 10k miles and so long as you look after and cherish it, your scooby will give more smiles per mile than many of it's rivals. Not to mention it will take a bloody good thrashing round a track several times a year, get you home in one piece without breaking down, and do the shopping run the next day driven by your granny.
Can't say any more than that
MrFlibbles said:
craig2003 said:
Bibbs said:
Buffie said:
Evo's seem to attract the wrong type of owners.
Just out of interest can you elaborate on your statementEdited by Bibbs on Friday 24th August 16:37
I am probably as far from a "Chav" as you can get
and dont take it to heart, I just find it interesting how others perceive certain marques owners probably knowing very few of them.I do agree with the S2000 comment though
craig2003 said:
MrFlibbles said:
craig2003 said:
Bibbs said:
Evo's seem to attract the wrong type of owners.
Just out of interest can you elaborate on your statementEdited by Bibbs on Friday 24th August 16:37
I am probably as far from a "Chav" as you can get
and dont take it to heart, I just find it interesting how others perceive certain marques owners probably knowing very few of them.I do agree with the S2000 comment though
S2000 does have a bit of an image problem - it's not taken THAT seriously by any of the following groups:-
- Jap performance car owners (Skyline/RX7/Evo...no turbo)
- Premium sports car owners (Boxster/Z4/SLK...wrong badge)
- Hardcore sports car owners (Elise/VX/...too heavy, too soft)
...but it sits pretty squarely between all 3 groups...which is either good or bad depending on what you're after...
S2000s are lovely cars and are hardly slow or bad handlers. They tend to be a good package that isn't ridiculous on fuel (correct me if i'm wrong though). I love Scoobs and my mates STi Type R is very fast and very fun BUT i think they are now too common on the roads. This doesn't make them a bad car i just think people have seen them as said above as the performance car to have. This is the ONLY reason i wouldn't go for one as they are great cars (and thats from a Civic/CRX owner!! Were not all bad lol).
My comment wasn't supposed to stir the hornets nest. We all have different oppinions of cars, that's why we all drive different things.
I personally find the majority of Evo/Scoobie owners at car meets honestly think their cars are rally cars and they are the best driver ever (If so, why to Prodrive/Rallyart spend £250,000 on each one to make it rally spec? Just like Ford/Citroen spend on the Focus and Xara).
S2000's? Slow, torqueless and heavy.
And yes, mine has beaten a few scoobies and evo's. But then with 375bhp it's far from standard.
I personally find the majority of Evo/Scoobie owners at car meets honestly think their cars are rally cars and they are the best driver ever (If so, why to Prodrive/Rallyart spend £250,000 on each one to make it rally spec? Just like Ford/Citroen spend on the Focus and Xara).
S2000's? Slow, torqueless and heavy.
And yes, mine has beaten a few scoobies and evo's. But then with 375bhp it's far from standard.
Bibbs said:
My comment wasn't supposed to stir the hornets nest. We all have different oppinions of cars, that's why we all drive different things.
I personally find the majority of Evo/Scoobie owners at car meets honestly think their cars are rally cars and they are the best driver ever (If so, why to Prodrive/Rallyart spend £250,000 on each one to make it rally spec? Just like Ford/Citroen spend on the Focus and Xara).
S2000's? Slow, torqueless and heavy.
And yes, mine has beaten a few scoobies and evo's. But then with 375bhp it's far from standard.
I've no doubt that with 375bhp you can beat a lot other cars including Scoobies and EVO's however even though i drive a Scoobie i don't think i am the best driver ever and it certainly isn't a rally car, so sweeping statements like the one you have made about the majority of Scooby/EVO drivers is as old and tired as chavs being the only ones that drive them.I personally find the majority of Evo/Scoobie owners at car meets honestly think their cars are rally cars and they are the best driver ever (If so, why to Prodrive/Rallyart spend £250,000 on each one to make it rally spec? Just like Ford/Citroen spend on the Focus and Xara).
S2000's? Slow, torqueless and heavy.
And yes, mine has beaten a few scoobies and evo's. But then with 375bhp it's far from standard.
As far as how much WRC teams spend on their cars....you aren't even scratching the surface with £250,000 so maybe you should consider going out and getting accurate figures.
Also, why don't you pop a pic of what you drive in your profile so we can all amaze at how much BHP you have, and maybe a pic of yourself so we can all see the cock that drives it
If there was a case in point of 'my cock is bigger than yours', you're it.
ScoobieWRX said:
Also, why don't you pop a pic of what you drive in your profile so we can all amaze at how much BHP you have, and maybe a pic of yourself so we can all see the cock that drives it
Already has
Bibbs Profile said:
Supercharged (375bhp)
Rollcage
Loads of carbon bits
Uprated drivetrain and exhaust
Mild suspension & braking tweaks
Rollcage
Loads of carbon bits
Uprated drivetrain and exhaust
Mild suspension & braking tweaks
Edited by stevieb on Tuesday 28th August 10:30
The Advans are new and I'm not sure they are staying. They are on till I can re-shoe my BBS alloys with 888's or similar.
I'm not willy waiving. The OP asked for advice .. I suggested a GT4 would be good as I personally prefer them to the Evo/Scoobies. The Engines are fairly bullet proof and 300bhp is an easy target.
I'd say about 9 out of 10 owners I've met fall into the "wrong" type. It's unfortunate. I feel the same about the MR2 (with the Veilside kits and Lexus lights). It's a shame when good cars drop into the market for aspirational MaccyD's carpark racers.
I read somewhere about a Prodrive open day that the cars were IRO £250,000. And the following article seems to say similar (even though the USD has dropped in value since) :
The cost of running with such a car is truly prohibitive to all but the top racing teams. A privately owned WRC car will be charged more than 350000 US$ to the buyer
http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Cars_Background4.htm...
Few pics of my car ..
I'm not willy waiving. The OP asked for advice .. I suggested a GT4 would be good as I personally prefer them to the Evo/Scoobies. The Engines are fairly bullet proof and 300bhp is an easy target.
I'd say about 9 out of 10 owners I've met fall into the "wrong" type. It's unfortunate. I feel the same about the MR2 (with the Veilside kits and Lexus lights). It's a shame when good cars drop into the market for aspirational MaccyD's carpark racers.
I read somewhere about a Prodrive open day that the cars were IRO £250,000. And the following article seems to say similar (even though the USD has dropped in value since) :
The cost of running with such a car is truly prohibitive to all but the top racing teams. A privately owned WRC car will be charged more than 350000 US$ to the buyer
http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/Cars_Background4.htm...
Few pics of my car ..
Edited by Bibbs on Tuesday 28th August 11:23
Bibbs said:
And yes, mine has beaten a few scoobies and evo's. But then with 375bhp it's far from standard.
Fundamental problem with all our cars is that, in the real world, we're doing stupid speeds and taking huge risks at any point we actually try to find out if our motor 'owns' the next guys.My RX is significantly more powerful than a stock scoob but over the legal bit of a blat there's bugger all in it. Your s2k would keep up until we got past 80ish. The only place we can really compare performance is either up the strip or round a circuit OR take the risk of an accident or prison time.
The other day I was heading back into London, it was damp and greasy. At a set of lights where both lanes do a sharp left onto a DC. White van thing to my left. I pull off sedately (rwd, wife in car)... realise that white van has booted it, accelerate a bit harder but not enough to get excited about, wvm thrashing it. Drop into second, hit boost and pull away from him but struggling to keep traction. No contest really but there wasn't a lot in it up to 60mph. Comparing a sub-100bhp van and my rex didn't look favourable but in the situation means there is no sensible comparison.
All the talk in this thread about faster/fastest is pointless. Even on track the real difference is the drivers and not the car... All the heated exchanges in the thread are qmmusing and pointless.
Back to the OP - you know the rex is the real jap sports car. Why settle for slower and uglier alternatives
An RX is a good choice. Good power in a balanced and light chassis.
If I knew anything about fixing the engine I'd have one. I know that they are not as bad as people make out. But it's that nagging feeling (just like the reason I've not owned a Trevor).
What are they like for tall people? I'm 6'4" and think i may struggle.
If I knew anything about fixing the engine I'd have one. I know that they are not as bad as people make out. But it's that nagging feeling (just like the reason I've not owned a Trevor).
What are they like for tall people? I'm 6'4" and think i may struggle.
Great car...no doubt about it.... However, you're wrong about most EVO and Scooby drivers and i have met my fair share of said inidividuals. The majority i have met are down to earth, honest about their abilities and don't falsely brag about their driving prowess. Decent bunch of people too!!
I'm sure we'll agree to dissagree on this one, but in any case...you are willy waving and that doesn't impress me one bit. I've beaten this and i've beaten that...definately waving it!! However, your car does impress me, very nice
As far as WRC cars are concerned 3 yrs ago the cost of a car was $550,000. Then you have to add to that Spares, Tech/Mech Support, Logistics etc... so in effect you can double and treble that, maybe more. Today, 3yrs later the cost will be even higher as the cost of materials and fuel has risen considerably in this time.
Here's the link to whre i got my info from http://www.drive.subaru.com/Win04_ProDrive.htm
I'm sure we'll agree to dissagree on this one, but in any case...you are willy waving and that doesn't impress me one bit. I've beaten this and i've beaten that...definately waving it!! However, your car does impress me, very nice
As far as WRC cars are concerned 3 yrs ago the cost of a car was $550,000. Then you have to add to that Spares, Tech/Mech Support, Logistics etc... so in effect you can double and treble that, maybe more. Today, 3yrs later the cost will be even higher as the cost of materials and fuel has risen considerably in this time.
Here's the link to whre i got my info from http://www.drive.subaru.com/Win04_ProDrive.htm
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