New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

[eliot]

bulldog5046 said:

We could do something similar to this:

http://uksnowmap.com/#/

people can tweet a hashtag and have the postcode of where the car was stolen from added to the map. But i'm not so sure people will use it as much as we would like.

someone on this or a similar thread setup a google map

[mellyE92]

Hi,

Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).

It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.

Thanks on advance.

[sinizter]

mellyE92 said:

Hi,

Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).

It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.

Thanks on advance.

When I bought my 2008 E92 M3 from the dealers, I only got the two fobs.

[t8cmf]

mellyE92 said:

Hi,

Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).

It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.

Thanks on advance.

I've not got a plastic key with my E92 M3 either.

Does he mean the key that pulls out of the end of the key fob?

[Zyp]

anonymous said:

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I'm wholly surprised this thread is still here.

[Tea Pot One]

This thread is dying .... most people who need to know do ... and BMW are not going to say anything unless they can sort it.

[Steffan]

Tea Pot One said:

This thread is dying .... most people who need to know do ... and BMW are not going to say anything unless they can sort it.

I fear that is right. Clearly BMW can ignore this problem. Not good or fair.

[sjg]

r999 said:

Well, here's another way to ratchet up the publicity. A FOI request:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/keyless_bmw_...

No point in making one where I live - the answer would be counter-productive - but in the big centres of population it should produce another stick or two to beat BMW with.

Well there's a reply there now - short version is that the police don't know the exact nature of the theft unless the car is recovered, and generally don't record enough information in their systems to pull out cases by make & model.

[gowmonster]

sjg said:

r999 said:

Well, here's another way to ratchet up the publicity. A FOI request:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/keyless_bmw_...

No point in making one where I live - the answer would be counter-productive - but in the big centres of population it should produce another stick or two to beat BMW with.

Well there's a reply there now - short version is that the police don't know the exact nature of the theft unless the car is recovered, and generally don't record enough information in their systems to pull out cases by make & model.

but in csi they would just pop onto the computer......... OMFG it's not real is it?

I do like how it's a refusal but they actually state that 12 came up in a search

[eastsider]

I agree this thread is dying. Looking at the stolen cars wiki in general gassing, thefts seem to have tailed off recently - none reported here since mid-May. Maybe the Old Bill have caught up with the gang. Maybe the gang have so many high end diesel 3 & 5 series in their lockup to dismantle/clone/ship overseas they've eased off taking them for a while! There will prob be another spate of thefts in London & Birmingham soon then more people will find this thread.

[E500 TAT]

I've just caught up on this thread today, reading about the last months worth of posts.

Can i just ask, if anyone knows how the clifford blackjax thing works? how it knows the car has been jacked? is it the opening of the door that requires the code to be put in again or does it need to be informed, ie calling a call centre.

Must be the former by how quick it cuts out, internet does not seem to provide an answer.

[t8cmf]

E500 TAT said:

I've just caught up on this thread today, reading about the last months worth of posts.

Can i just ask, if anyone knows how the clifford blackjax thing works? how it knows the car has been jacked? is it the opening of the door that requires the code to be put in again or does it need to be informed, ie calling a call centre.

Must be the former by how quick it cuts out, internet does not seem to provide an answer.

I believe the Blackjax is connected to your drivers side door switch / interior light circuit. As soon as your door opens the Blackjax timer is activated. The upside is a quick reacting system but the downside is a system that means you can't just nip out of your car whilst leaving it idling as it will activate the Blackjax. The keypad fitted to the dash resets the system. I want one myself but a member of another forum tells me that the Blackjax 5 system will bring up errors on my E92 M3's iDrive system. I can't find anything about this online though nor can I find an E92 M3 with the system fitted.

[HowMuchLonger]

I amsuprised that the insurance companies have not caught onto this. If they had the premium on a new BMW would be so high as to be prohibitive.

[mrmr96]

t8cmf said:

mellyE92 said:

Hi,

Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).

It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.

Thanks on advance.

I've not got a plastic key with my E92 M3 either.

Does he mean the key that pulls out of the end of the key fob?

It's a "replica" of that "wiggly" key that pulls out of the key fob, and is made of plastic. Not really sure what the purpose is? I guess it may be able to lock/unlock but not start the car?

[Steffan]

mrmr96 said:

t8cmf said:

mellyE92 said:

Hi,

Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).

It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.

Thanks on advance.

I've not got a plastic key with my E92 M3 either.

Does he mean the key that pulls out of the end of the key fob?

It's a "replica" of that "wiggly" key that pulls out of the key fob, and is made of plastic. Not really sure what the purpose is? I guess it may be able to lock/unlock but not start the car?

I have to say the number of ways to circumvent the alarm/security systems on BMW does, beg the question. Presumably BMW were seeking to make losing the keys less disastrous for the owner. In the process circumventing the security, without appreciating the unintended consequences of their actions.

Since BMW are stonewalling, frankly successfully, I see not solution to this weakness. Presumably the next generation of BMW cars will be much better protected. I would hope so for the owners.

[aeropilot]

With so many pages now in this thread..... I'm not sure if this has been posted yet?

Security camera footage of 1M getting nicked in 3 minutes.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

[Steffan]

aeropilot said:

With so many pages now in this thread..... I'm not sure if this has been posted yet?

Security camera footage of 1M getting nicked in 3 minutes.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Frighteningly professional. The uniform, hoods, gloves and approach are cut throat warnings. I am afraid this video demonstrates the level of the criminals. This is serious major crime at work. Chilling. These are no chancers or amateurs. They knew the cameras were there and were disciplined and brazen in their actions. Glad no one was injured. These boys would be dangerous if challenged. I hope the evil sts are caught: in reality very unlikely.

[HowMuchLonger]

We have now written off buying a BMW...thank you pistonheads.

[t8cmf]

Steffan said:

Frighteningly professional. The uniform, hoods, gloves and approach are cut throat warnings. I am afraid this video demonstrates the level of the criminals. This is serious major crime at work. Chilling. These are no chancers or amateurs. They knew the cameras were there and were disciplined and brazen in their actions. Glad no one was injured. These boys would be dangerous if challenged. I hope the evil sts are caught: in reality very unlikely.

I think you are being too kind to these scumbags. They circumvented a sub-standard security system and then plugged a computer into the car pushed a few buttons and the computer did the rest. Once these secrets are known you could literally train a team of monkeys to do this. They couldn't even cover the CCTV lenses properly letting the police see their modus operandi. They look like chavs to me.

[sinizter]

Steffan said:

Frighteningly professional. The uniform, hoods, gloves and approach are cut throat warnings. I am afraid this video demonstrates the level of the criminals. This is serious major crime at work. Chilling. These are no chancers or amateurs. They knew the cameras were there and were disciplined and brazen in their actions. Glad no one was injured. These boys would be dangerous if challenged. I hope the evil sts are caught: in reality very unlikely.

You are being far too kind to a bunch of monkeys.