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eastsider
621 posts
92 months
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aeropilot said: Nope. They arn't putting a brick through the window here!
They are using more 'technical' means of creating a hole in the glass which won't leave any trace of broken glass on the ground. Or drilling the drivers door lock out, which is what they did to my E60 (I know as it was recovered by tracker). Pros - they did that less than 10m from where I was asleep, didn't hear a thing, nor did any of my neighbours. Quiet street of terraced houses. Sorry to hear of recent losses, I hope this isn't the start of another large scale wave of thefts. Anyone in London who is aware and hasn't already taken preventative steps, do so NOW!
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MadAdMan
30 posts
10 months
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quick update - just had the bmw dealer on the phone (now week 4) bmw cant work out what the thieves have done every time they upload the software and run diagnostics its producing faults... and this is working double shifts (due to olympics) anyone else who suffered an OBD theft and got their P&J back run into this?
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WeirdNeville
4,135 posts
84 months
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BMW not knowing their arse from their elbow when it comes to the electronics is nothing new.
My mate had a 135i .Went in for a 'software update' and cmae back running like a 118d. No guts ,no revs, no throttle response. They denied there was any fault until he got them to drive his and an identical un-broken one back to back. They couldn't find or fix the fault over a 2 month period, and eventually bought the car back off him.
BMW and software are not comfortable bedfellows at the moment.
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gowmonster
1,304 posts
36 months
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why don't we all just check our oil level at night, and at the same time, pop a fuse out that does something important, perhaps the main one? it's not like the alarm does much with these people anyway
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theaxe
2,774 posts
91 months
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I've been giving some more thought to how best to implement an isolator to the ODB port for my E61 5-series. However I have some questions, each with possible options.
How to disable the port?
a) A simple on/off switch
b) A series of DIP switches which have to be aligned in a particular sequence to complete the circuit.
c) A 3.5mm or maybe RJ45 socket with a plug 'key' wired in a particular way so that you have to insert the matching plug to complete the circuit.
Where to put the disabler?
a) Just inboard of the OBD port.
b) Somewhere deep in the footwell
c) Somewhere random
Which line(s) to break?
a) One of the power lines could be easy to circumvent, what if their device has a separate power supply?
b) One of the data lines, but which one(s) to ensure that the process can't be completed.
Anyone opinions on these options would be appreciated. I'll happily document the implementation process if anyone's interested.
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Lumbardo8
28 posts
9 months
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stuart-b
2,588 posts
95 months
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WeirdNeville said: BMW not knowing their arse from their elbow when it comes to the electronics is nothing new.
My mate had a 135i .Went in for a 'software update' and cmae back running like a 118d. No guts ,no revs, no throttle response. They denied there was any fault until he got them to drive his and an identical un-broken one back to back. They couldn't find or fix the fault over a 2 month period, and eventually bought the car back off him.
BMW and software are not comfortable bedfellows at the moment. He could have gone and got it remapped/new software put on from the likes of AmD, or gone to another dealer, surely?
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MadAdMan
30 posts
10 months
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stuart-b said: He could have gone and got it remapped/new software put on from the likes of AmD, or gone to another dealer, surely? ive suffered 4 weeks under BMW UK's best of the best and they cant get everything back on line, go figure  thinking i should have gone for a cayenne or a touareg
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garyhun
13,985 posts
97 months
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MadAdMan said: thinking i should have gone for a cayenne or a touareg Definitely a Cayenne over an X5 
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MadAdMan
30 posts
10 months
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garyhun said: Definitely a Cayenne over an X5 drove both and preferred the X5 M to drive (+7seats) but non of my mates who have cayennes have been bothered by any OBD thefts! grrrrr
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Zod
23,271 posts
127 months
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MadAdMan said: garyhun said: Definitely a Cayenne over an X5 drove both and preferred the X5 M to drive (+7seats) but non of my mates who have cayennes have been bothered by any OBD thefts! grrrrr X5 M is not available with 7 seats.
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r999
63 posts
23 months
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theaxe said: I've been giving some more thought to how best to implement an isolator to the ODB port for my E61 5-series. However I have some questions, each with possible options.
How to disable the port?
a) A simple on/off switch
b) A series of DIP switches which have to be aligned in a particular sequence to complete the circuit.
c) A 3.5mm or maybe RJ45 socket with a plug 'key' wired in a particular way so that you have to insert the matching plug to complete the circuit.
Where to put the disabler?
a) Just inboard of the OBD port.
b) Somewhere deep in the footwell
c) Somewhere random My view, FWIW, was that it doesn't matter how simple or elaborate the switch is, provided it can't easily be found by fumbling around with one arm in the dark. theaxe said: Which line(s) to break?
a) One of the power lines could be easy to circumvent, what if their device has a separate power supply?
b) One of the data lines, but which one(s) to ensure that the process can't be completed. I too decided not to rely on breaking the power line in case some of the devices are self-powered. I broke both data lines-- there are only two that carry anything -- I don't have the pinout to hand, but you can easily find it. Breaking one would probably have sufficed.
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MadAdMan
30 posts
10 months
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Zod said: X5 M is not available with 7 seats. x5 M sport Vs Cayenne Diesel
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mrmr96
11,937 posts
73 months
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r999 said: theaxe said: I've been giving some more thought to how best to implement an isolator to the ODB port for my E61 5-series. However I have some questions, each with possible options.
How to disable the port?
a) A simple on/off switch
b) A series of DIP switches which have to be aligned in a particular sequence to complete the circuit.
c) A 3.5mm or maybe RJ45 socket with a plug 'key' wired in a particular way so that you have to insert the matching plug to complete the circuit.
Where to put the disabler?
a) Just inboard of the OBD port.
b) Somewhere deep in the footwell
c) Somewhere random My view, FWIW, was that it doesn't matter how simple or elaborate the switch is, provided it can't easily be found by fumbling around with one arm in the dark. theaxe said: Which line(s) to break?
a) One of the power lines could be easy to circumvent, what if their device has a separate power supply?
b) One of the data lines, but which one(s) to ensure that the process can't be completed. I too decided not to rely on breaking the power line in case some of the devices are self-powered. I broke both data lines-- there are only two that carry anything -- I don't have the pinout to hand, but you can easily find it. Breaking one would probably have sufficed. @theaxe - why not just unscrew the port and tuck it up behind the panel, then reinstall the panel? Can't be accessed by "one hand in the dark" as they'd have to remove the panel to get to it. @r999 - let us know what happens next time you take that in for service. I asked my friend who works at Thatcham (but not as a tester) whether putting a switch in the data lines would be a good idea; he advised me against it because if my joins were not quite up to standard then it could potentially cause data communication issues. (Apparently these wires are fairly high bandwidth.) That's not to say the port won't work now, but I'd be interested to hear back after you've had it tested by plugging an OBD machine in and trying to do some things.
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r999
63 posts
23 months
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mrmr96 said: @r999 - let us know what happens next time you take that in for service. I asked my friend who works at Thatcham (but not as a tester) whether putting a switch in the data lines would be a good idea; he advised me against it because if my joins were not quite up to standard then it could potentially cause data communication issues. (Apparently these wires are fairly high bandwidth.) That's not to say the port won't work now, but I'd be interested to hear back after you've had it tested by plugging an OBD machine in and trying to do some things. It works fine with my OBDII reader, and if it does not work fine when it goes in for service, that's not my problem, as the switches were installed by the (very competent) electrician at my BMW dealer, who assures me everything will still work, and if it doesn't, the dealership will rectify at their expense. I mentioned all this much earlier (though there's no reason for you to know that in such a long thread) and was asked further questions. To save time, I'll say again: (a) I'm not saying which dealer I use and (b) they would very likely have been less helpful if I hadn't had good relations with them for a very long time.
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MadAdMan
30 posts
10 months
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BMW just posted First Spy Photos: New BMW X5 F15 on their facebook page, so naturally when asked what id like to see on new x5 i posted "will it still have the alarm blind spot making the OBD port available to any thief who wants to steal the car in 3 mins. Like they did to my new X5 Msport ?" now they have requested facebook to block me making any comments, as their claim is im hitting them with spam! oh this is going to get interesting as im actually at the Facebook UK HQ tomorrow for one of our partnership meetings  apparently there was an article in the times motoring supplement, anyone read it?
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va1o
11,551 posts
76 months
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MadAdMan said: BMW just posted First Spy Photos: New BMW X5 F15 on their facebook page, so naturally when asked what id like to see on new x5 i posted "will it still have the alarm blind spot making the OBD port available to any thief who wants to steal the car in 3 mins. Like they did to my new X5 Msport ?" now they have requested facebook to block me making any comments, as their claim is im hitting them with spam! oh this is going to get interesting as im actually at the Facebook UK HQ tomorrow for one of our partnership meetings apparently there was an article in the times motoring supplement, anyone read it? I was very tempted to do the same recently on Facebook  And yes there was an article, but like most others it used terms such as "industry wide problem" and didn't really place much blaim on BMW.
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eliot
5,321 posts
123 months
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Kananga said: MadAdMan said: JUST FINISHED DESIGNS FOR THE DISABLED OBD PORT STICKERS HAPPY TO EMAIL PDF ARTWORK TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PRINT STICKERS..  Very nice designs.  Is there anyone on here that can print the artwork as stickers ? You could simply print it onto A4 and laminate it - then just wedge it in drivers window when you leave.
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sinizter
3,346 posts
55 months
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eliot said: You could simply print it onto A4 and laminate it - then just wedge it in drivers window when you leave. Wouldn't be very convincing.
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ywu
2 posts
10 months
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Out of interest, how much do people think it should cost in labour (or time) to put a dummy OBD port in and route an extension somewhere else? I have the "bits" (i.e cable and port) but just got quoted 4 hours time by an indie dealer which I think is a bit steep! I'd do it myself my I have worries about how to take the trim off without snapping things and re-routing prob involves going under the steering wheel to the central console area.
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