New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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I have just put a deposit down on a 2012 M3 - amoungst other things I asked if they were aware of the OBD port issue to which the sales person replied they were not.... I am aware of the issue however and the car has a tracker and I will be tacking out GAP insurance and do some OBD port trickry.
I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
G.
I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
G.
gizard said:
I have just put a deposit down on a 2012 M3 - amoungst other things I asked if they were aware of the OBD port issue to which the sales person replied they were not.... I am aware of the issue however and the car has a tracker and I will be tacking out GAP insurance and do some OBD port trickry.
I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
G.
Firstly, kudos to you for buying the car you want and not letting this issue dictate what car you drive. I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
G.
I have a Disclok for my E92 M3 (manual though) and don't have an issue with steering wheel dents. I modified my OBD port and so I don't use it all the time, only in areas that aren't my garage or secure work car park. There are some upset owners on M3Cutters that have dents appearing on their wheels. Make sure you get the Disclok storage bag as well (£10) as it velcros to your boot floor giving you a secure storage space for it. It's better than it whacking you around the back of the head in an accident.
Edited by t8cmf on Thursday 16th August 17:19
jacktoyou said:
Do I want another BMW? Would love one but I am just too worried about leaving it every night. I live in the East End - where from reading some the posts on here seems to be a hot spot?
My E60 535d was taken in April (mile end). I wouldn't buy another modern BMW whilst living in the East End, or anywhere in London for that matter - unless you've got secure off street parking for overnight.Get an Audi, merc etc, or as I did revert to an older BMW (back to an E39 now) with a proper key!!
Haha lockable OBD as a proposed solution, or even disabling OBD.
So the people stealing cars and avoiding the fancy tech in the keys/ecu with a high level of resourcefulness won't just get around those things too?
Despite all the electro-tech the answer in the end is to just put another physical lock on something
Make it operate off a stand alone module that has to be removed to be programmed. Fit it in annoying places inside the car, offer say 10-15 optional locations where it might be placed but only BMW who sell the car know where.
A hassle if you forget the code or it goes wrong, but it'd be secure through being too hard to access.
Locking OBD is just gonna add to unit prices of the car, make after-market work harder and so hurt residual value/resale appeal later in life, and is STILL going to be avoided easily by those in the know.
Dave
So the people stealing cars and avoiding the fancy tech in the keys/ecu with a high level of resourcefulness won't just get around those things too?
Despite all the electro-tech the answer in the end is to just put another physical lock on something
Make it operate off a stand alone module that has to be removed to be programmed. Fit it in annoying places inside the car, offer say 10-15 optional locations where it might be placed but only BMW who sell the car know where.
A hassle if you forget the code or it goes wrong, but it'd be secure through being too hard to access.
Locking OBD is just gonna add to unit prices of the car, make after-market work harder and so hurt residual value/resale appeal later in life, and is STILL going to be avoided easily by those in the know.
Dave
Super simple solution if you really are worried.
Get an auto-electrician to snip a key OBD wire and simply add a small hidden in-line switch pushed up behind the dash somewhere.
People do these DIY kinda things to all their cars. I remember the old Daihatsu Fourtrak things were really easy to nick, so most people with them had a fuel pump cut-off switch under the seat or in the coin tray or something like that. Finding these 'unique' work-arounds makes life hard for criminals.
Cripes, even put a switch on the tank pump 12v feed, plenty of places to hide that and they won't get anywhere without that working. Probably the last thing they'll think is switched/broken too as it won't run with the immo active iirc, so they will just be sat thinking their de-immo hasn't worked, or key copy, or whatever else...
Dave
Get an auto-electrician to snip a key OBD wire and simply add a small hidden in-line switch pushed up behind the dash somewhere.
People do these DIY kinda things to all their cars. I remember the old Daihatsu Fourtrak things were really easy to nick, so most people with them had a fuel pump cut-off switch under the seat or in the coin tray or something like that. Finding these 'unique' work-arounds makes life hard for criminals.
Cripes, even put a switch on the tank pump 12v feed, plenty of places to hide that and they won't get anywhere without that working. Probably the last thing they'll think is switched/broken too as it won't run with the immo active iirc, so they will just be sat thinking their de-immo hasn't worked, or key copy, or whatever else...
Dave
[quote=gizard]I have just put a deposit down on a 2012 M3 - amoungst other things I asked if they were aware of the OBD port issue to which the sales person replied they were not.... I am aware of the issue however and the car has a tracker and I will be tacking out GAP insurance and do some OBD port trickry.
I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
Call these guys http://www.securemycar.co.uk they have a custom work around
tracker is a waste of time you need to know its gone to activate and then its easily jammed, alt trackers direct to your mobile will tell you if car is moved. re Disklock YES the silver one will leave a small dent in the steering wheel especially and M wheel (it does on mine) but it will act as a small deterrent and slow them by another min if they get past everything else.
best of luck
I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
Call these guys http://www.securemycar.co.uk they have a custom work around
tracker is a waste of time you need to know its gone to activate and then its easily jammed, alt trackers direct to your mobile will tell you if car is moved. re Disklock YES the silver one will leave a small dent in the steering wheel especially and M wheel (it does on mine) but it will act as a small deterrent and slow them by another min if they get past everything else. best of luck
gizard said:
I have just put a deposit down on a 2012 M3 - amoungst other things I asked if they were aware of the OBD port issue to which the sales person replied they were not.... I am aware of the issue however and the car has a tracker and I will be tacking out GAP insurance and do some OBD port trickry.
I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
G.
Disklocks do leave a small indent but it comes out again once it's removed in a few hours, ideally you'd garage the car overnight and leave it off.I am considering getting a discloc too for when I park the car in a more risky place (i.e. not at home or the private car park at work) but I have heard that they can damage the wheel - has anyone got first hand expirence of using a discloc with an e9x M3 wheel with paddles?
cheers
G.
MadAdMan said:
Call these guys http://www.securemycar.co.uk they have a custom work around tracker is a waste of time you need to know its gone to activate and then its easily jammed, alt trackers direct to your mobile will tell you if car is moved. re Disklock YES the silver one will leave a small dent in the steering wheel especially and M wheel (it does on mine) but it will act as a small deterrent and slow them by another min if they get past everything else.
best of luck
I have had a look at this - I know there are many options etc. but what is the rough cost and affect on warranty? - re the tracker I completly agree - i hate them but if I want the car insured against theft then I have to have it..... tracker is a waste of time you need to know its gone to activate and then its easily jammed, alt trackers direct to your mobile will tell you if car is moved. re Disklock YES the silver one will leave a small dent in the steering wheel especially and M wheel (it does on mine) but it will act as a small deterrent and slow them by another min if they get past everything else. best of luck
cheers
G.
crazy about cars said:
Enquiring about a 2011 E92 M3 and tried to ask about this and nearly got my head bit off. Apparently this is all unconfirmed rumours and have nothing to do with BMW.
It is not unconfirmed ... whoever said this to you is talking rubbish.The police are well aware of the extent of the problem .
Just got a recall notice for battery cable issue "there may be......extremely rare cases....etc, etc", I've just done a little bit of a quote from it. If they can recall for this and fix, WTF dont they do something about an issue THAT IS KNOWN TO ALLOW any SH*T to drive the car away?
I think it's time to start a campaign and lobby BMW. I have a Senior CS Manager there twitchy now because I have spoken to a number of authorised dealers across the country and ALL are aware of the issue.
Additionally the sales guy's and one of the biggest nationals are well aware and suggested "I would replace with the F series or seriously upgrade the alarm system and add a tracker."
Additionally the sales guy's and one of the biggest nationals are well aware and suggested "I would replace with the F series or seriously upgrade the alarm system and add a tracker."
Well, the plot thickens. I was in a Dealership earlier looking at a replacement car. A gent walked in and asked to speak to the Dealer Principal. To my amazement his car was stolen last night, he was obviously upset and was referring to the the OBD theft.
The dealer principal admitted the issue straight away and told him to speak to BMW CS as they were also complaining to BMW about a fix, and were 'in talks' to find a fix.
This is now getting well out of hand.
The dealer principal admitted the issue straight away and told him to speak to BMW CS as they were also complaining to BMW about a fix, and were 'in talks' to find a fix.
This is now getting well out of hand.
Edited by CMOS on Saturday 18th August 17:42
It's not just BMW and its not the car the thieves are after in every case. It's the parts...
Affects Audi, Merc and BMW sport versions of all models. i.e. AMG, S-Line and M-Sport.
Basically the cars are being nicked and then stripped of their body parts to be sold to people in "emerging markets" who can the turn their SE or bog standard spec into one of the above...
£3.5bn estmated market value of this trade...
What then happens is the insurer writes the car off, gets 35% + now of nets book value as opposed to 10% 5 years ago and the salvage is sold to...people from emerging markets, who take the shell, repair the car in their home market with factored parts or indeed the parts that have previously been stripped off your car originall, shipped back to the UK and, in several, cases just days later the car is back on the road and insured with the same insurer that wrote it of originally before they can even update their systems!!
I'll find the links for these and post 'em u
if anyone is interested...!
Affects Audi, Merc and BMW sport versions of all models. i.e. AMG, S-Line and M-Sport.
Basically the cars are being nicked and then stripped of their body parts to be sold to people in "emerging markets" who can the turn their SE or bog standard spec into one of the above...
£3.5bn estmated market value of this trade...
What then happens is the insurer writes the car off, gets 35% + now of nets book value as opposed to 10% 5 years ago and the salvage is sold to...people from emerging markets, who take the shell, repair the car in their home market with factored parts or indeed the parts that have previously been stripped off your car originall, shipped back to the UK and, in several, cases just days later the car is back on the road and insured with the same insurer that wrote it of originally before they can even update their systems!!
I'll find the links for these and post 'em u
if anyone is interested...!
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