New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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Ocdbeemer said:
The reason BMW are not updating pre march 2007 cars is because they believe newer cars are being targeted and therefore have decided to impose a cut off date.
Forget lci or pre lci, it's as simple as that. If you own a 56 reg your not on the list, but may still be effected !
This man speaketh the truth. Forget lci or pre lci, it's as simple as that. If you own a 56 reg your not on the list, but may still be effected !
Cas2/cas3 from 2005 thru now uses the same software update.
richtea78 said:
Band0 said:
The kit to do Audi is coming on the market very soon - don't bother
I'd get a Merc....
Wont they just get a kit to do a Merc as well?I'd get a Merc....
If there is a flaw they will find it in anything eventually and I dont believe anyone can design a system that is perfect.
Failing that, they will kick your door in and rob you while you sleep.
There is now an established supply chain for stolen parts and vehicles.
That supply chain needs feeding.
If a fix was applied across the board tomorrow, there would still be thieves in need of a payday, and there are still BMW's on driveways.
They may well resort to more violent/direct means of obtaining the cars they want.
That's one of the massive problems BMW have created by selling a car with such a security flaw.
This is seriously BS.
ALARM VOID?
High-tech car theft.
12/09/2012
You might have heard about reports in the media about BMWs being stolen by a new kind of theft. BMW, like other manufacturers, has become the target of organised criminal operations who are targeting specific vehicles and using highly sophisticated equipment illegally to steal vehicles.
BMW prides itself on its vehicle security systems and all BMWs meet all UK and global security standards. Our engineers and technicians review all aspects of our vehicles constantly, including security systems, and after extensive research we are clear that none of our latest models - new 1 Series Hatch, 3 Series, 5 Series, 6 Series and 7 Series - nor any other BMW built after September 2011 can be stolen using the method highlighted. However, as responsible manufacturers we are looking at ways of mitigating against this new kind of attack. We are now in the process of offering to any concerned customers of targeted models, extra technical measures which will mean the car cannot be taken using the piece of equipment highlighted in these stories, although of course there is no such thing as the unstealable car.
If you are concerned about this issue, you can contact our Customer Service department on 0800 083 4397 or your local BMW dealer, either of which will happy to advise.
We also recommend following general advice given by the Police:
- When using remote locking, ensure the car has actually locked by checking a door.
- Be careful with your keys and who you give them too keys (e.g. valet parking). There is a risk that they could be cloned.
- Where ever possible park your car out of sight, in a locked garage or under the cover of CCTV cameras.
In addition: We recommend servicing your car at authorised BMW dealerships on a regular basis to give the opportunity of further enhancing theft protection.
BMW Group UK
ALARM VOID?
High-tech car theft.
12/09/2012
You might have heard about reports in the media about BMWs being stolen by a new kind of theft. BMW, like other manufacturers, has become the target of organised criminal operations who are targeting specific vehicles and using highly sophisticated equipment illegally to steal vehicles.
BMW prides itself on its vehicle security systems and all BMWs meet all UK and global security standards. Our engineers and technicians review all aspects of our vehicles constantly, including security systems, and after extensive research we are clear that none of our latest models - new 1 Series Hatch, 3 Series, 5 Series, 6 Series and 7 Series - nor any other BMW built after September 2011 can be stolen using the method highlighted. However, as responsible manufacturers we are looking at ways of mitigating against this new kind of attack. We are now in the process of offering to any concerned customers of targeted models, extra technical measures which will mean the car cannot be taken using the piece of equipment highlighted in these stories, although of course there is no such thing as the unstealable car.
If you are concerned about this issue, you can contact our Customer Service department on 0800 083 4397 or your local BMW dealer, either of which will happy to advise.
We also recommend following general advice given by the Police:
- When using remote locking, ensure the car has actually locked by checking a door.
- Be careful with your keys and who you give them too keys (e.g. valet parking). There is a risk that they could be cloned.
- Where ever possible park your car out of sight, in a locked garage or under the cover of CCTV cameras.
In addition: We recommend servicing your car at authorised BMW dealerships on a regular basis to give the opportunity of further enhancing theft protection.
BMW Group UK
aeropilot said:
dtiom said:
ArsE92 said:
Out of interest, how did you do that? The internal sensors don't arm if you lock the car with the windows down.
Regarding the testing of the dead space by the OBD port, I cut a piece of card put this in the hole with tape around the edges where the window should be (window wound down), locked the card with the fob, waited a minute or two for it to arm and removed the card. The alarm didn't activate when I removed the card and didn't activate when I put my arm in towards the OBD port. After much waving around the area of the drivers seat the alarm did finally sound, but not until I had my head in and almost touching the passenger seat!Cut out a piece of window shaped card with an arm size whole in the area down by the door mirror. Stuck a piece of paper over this hole and then placed in the open window. Locked up and then removed paper and fed my arm down through the whole and popped off the obd cover.
Alarm didn't go off, even without being that careful with my arm movement once inside car.
Interior motion sensors are positively useless.
WeirdNeville said:
ne of the most worrying things about this situation is:
There is now an established supply chain for stolen parts and vehicles.
That supply chain needs feeding.
If a fix was applied across the board tomorrow, there would still be thieves in need of a payday, and there are still BMW's on driveways.
They may well resort to more violent/direct means of obtaining the cars they want.
That's one of the massive problems BMW have created by selling a car with such a security flaw.
Very valid point pal.....I hope we don't go back to the days of car jacking @knife point, house break ins etc, I know these still happen, but they are rare......I can see that changing!There is now an established supply chain for stolen parts and vehicles.
That supply chain needs feeding.
If a fix was applied across the board tomorrow, there would still be thieves in need of a payday, and there are still BMW's on driveways.
They may well resort to more violent/direct means of obtaining the cars they want.
That's one of the massive problems BMW have created by selling a car with such a security flaw.
JCHill said:
Dear BMW / Audi / Merc / Ford etc etc
Here's the 1 line of code to fix your OBD security flaw which doesn't break EU competition laws:
IF car_alarmed = true OR car_locked = true THEN obd_enabled = false
Add it to any / all firmware as you see fit!
You're welcome.
What happens if you, as an owner, lock your car but then lose your keys. Your car becomes a paperweight?Here's the 1 line of code to fix your OBD security flaw which doesn't break EU competition laws:
IF car_alarmed = true OR car_locked = true THEN obd_enabled = false
Add it to any / all firmware as you see fit!
You're welcome.
mrmr96 said:
What happens if you, as an owner, lock your car but then lose your keys. Your car becomes a paperweight?
You have to fork out for a new motherboard and the cost of repairing the damage to get to the old one.At the end of the day if you make it easy (to accommodate lost keys) you make it easy for the criminals too.
Pesty said:
Stupid question sorry if its been talked about.
How much are the keys? I think I read there are 10 lines blank ready to accept a new key.
How about buying 8 or 9 keys and programming the care to them?
Or coding your existing key to the other 8/9 slots? Still not ideal though, in case you lose it in future.How much are the keys? I think I read there are 10 lines blank ready to accept a new key.
How about buying 8 or 9 keys and programming the care to them?
Not sure if anyone is awhere but the so call expert Ron Cliff on Watchdog last night is also the very same person who is the UK importer for the EDILOCK system, which is the system that the scum bags are using on your cars. It only took 5 mins to find this out on a google search. Did no one at the BBC check into this????
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