New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
Discussion
ITP said:
Why bother with giant steering wheel locks or expensive secondary alarms. Until BMW comes up with the fix why not just unplug, or take a small part off your engine that stops the car from being driven away? It's free too. Won't stop the excrement breaking your window or doing a bit of damage but at least it will still be there. Got to be worth doing if your car is on your drive overnight at least.
Why bother with a steering lock?Hopefully it will put the scotes off attempting to get in your car causing damage.
There are 1000's to choose from - they'll just move onto the next car that doesn't have a steering lock on.
ITP said:
Why bother with giant steering wheel locks or expensive secondary alarms. Until BMW comes up with the fix why not just unplug, or take a small part off your engine that stops the car from being driven away? It's free too. Won't stop the excrement breaking your window or doing a bit of damage but at least it will still be there. Got to be worth doing if your car is on your drive overnight at least.
Exactly, just pull the fuel pump fuse/relay.Just dont forget it or loose it.......
youngsyr said:
Flat6er said:
t8cmf said:
Why do you think the alarm will go off if the glass is pushed 4" inside the cabin?
The blind spot on these alarms is massive. I can wave my arms pretty much anywhere inside the front of my cabin (E92 M3) and the alarm doesn't go off. It does go off if you wave behind the headrests.
The film is a good idea but I'm not sure how effective it would be on frameless windows though.
Ah, I read on the reports, and Im sure somewhere on this thread, that the blind spot is 4" inside the window. If its less sensitive than that the clearly anti shatter film would be a waste of time and potentially cause issues in emergency services trying to gain access in an emergency. The blind spot on these alarms is massive. I can wave my arms pretty much anywhere inside the front of my cabin (E92 M3) and the alarm doesn't go off. It does go off if you wave behind the headrests.
The film is a good idea but I'm not sure how effective it would be on frameless windows though.
I have a BMW "US" Import and they have tried to steal mine in the past few weeks in Chiswick...
The method to get in the car at least on my car was to drill out part of the lock so @ a later time they can come with plane flat headed screw driver and get in the car to copy the Program through the OBD ...
Second time they came they left the OBD port open and all the windows down, but for some reason they weren't able to drive the car away. Police does nothing even after the 2nd report. I guess they feel if you got insurance got nothing to worry about.
WeirdNeville, I've had my car stolen and recovered. It's a 56 plate september 06 registered M5 with comfort access.
I don't have it back yet, but I was told that the only damage is to the driver's window.
I called BMW after the initial watchdog show, but they categorically told me that the car was not at risk.
Within a week it was gone.
When I called them back and told them that I suspected that this was how it was taken based on the damage, they again told me that all of their testing showed that cars built prior to march 2007 were immune due to different systems.
Do you have proof that this method is effective on pre march 2007 cars, or do you have the equipment to prove that this method is effective on my car?
If so I will be extra annoyed with BMW as I had an opportunity to go out and get a steering lock which would probably have put of the theft, but they were so sure that it was not at risk that I didn't (more fool me...). I will sue them for my excess and increase in premium if it is actually at risk, but I'd need proof that it was taken using this method. To me, it seems clear that it was.
I don't have it back yet, but I was told that the only damage is to the driver's window.
I called BMW after the initial watchdog show, but they categorically told me that the car was not at risk.
Within a week it was gone.
When I called them back and told them that I suspected that this was how it was taken based on the damage, they again told me that all of their testing showed that cars built prior to march 2007 were immune due to different systems.
Do you have proof that this method is effective on pre march 2007 cars, or do you have the equipment to prove that this method is effective on my car?
If so I will be extra annoyed with BMW as I had an opportunity to go out and get a steering lock which would probably have put of the theft, but they were so sure that it was not at risk that I didn't (more fool me...). I will sue them for my excess and increase in premium if it is actually at risk, but I'd need proof that it was taken using this method. To me, it seems clear that it was.
I am also looking for confirmation regarding my 2006 e92 as I was also told that my car was not effected when I rung up.
Let us not forget we are talking to the same people who a day earlier ( before Watchdog broadcast )where telling us they were not aware of BMW's being stolen in this manner.
Are BMW so irresponsible or greedy as to say these cars are not effected ?
Would like to get to the bottom of this as from what I have read over these last few months I am pretty convinced these cars are also effected.
Let us not forget we are talking to the same people who a day earlier ( before Watchdog broadcast )where telling us they were not aware of BMW's being stolen in this manner.
Are BMW so irresponsible or greedy as to say these cars are not effected ?
Would like to get to the bottom of this as from what I have read over these last few months I am pretty convinced these cars are also effected.
Hi guys,
I have a 2007 BMW 335i SE Coupe and phoned BMW customer services today to ask whether my Return To Value (RTV) insurance from BMW would cover me if my car was stolen in the publicised way.
I was told that
- "There isn't actually a flaw with the security systems in the vehicle, it is affecting many other manufacturers as well"
- "[My] vehicle is susceptible to the particular method that has been highlighted on the Watchdog programme"
- "The method does require that there is a forced entry to the vehicle so they are having to break windows to gain entry"
- "We are looking to release a measure in the next 8 weeks that will prevent the vehicles being stolen using this method"
- "If the car is stolen there is no reason why any insurance company would refuse payment as the thieves are having to force entry into the car first"
- "This is a criminal activity (act of theft) which is breaking and entering"
- "The issue is affecting a lot of manufacturers not just BMW, but because we are BMW our vehicles are highly targeted compared to other manufacturers"
- "At this moment in time BMW are the only manufacturer that has released a measure and we are putting a measure in place to prevent vehicles being stolen using this device"
- "There is no other manufacturer that has taken a measure"
- "If the car is stolen using this method there is not reason why they may not pay out.. However it may take longer to settle these particular claims than it would do a normal claim"
- "The device criminals are using is marketed for the use of 3rd party garages. It is not designed for stealing vehicles"
- "Germany are currently carrying out testing as we speak, and as soon as it is released dealerships will be made aware. We are hoping it will be released ahead of 8 weeks".
As I'm not keen to have my car stolen and BMW have advised that a claim for this loss may take additional time, and the experience on the Radio 4 programme indicated that this was the case I'm keen to ensure that that my car is not stolen so I will:
- Use of a Disklok (small version) which I understand fits the steering wheel on this model.
Hopefully this will act as a deterrent and hope this up to date advice is useful for readers here.
Regards,
SlowDriver
I have a 2007 BMW 335i SE Coupe and phoned BMW customer services today to ask whether my Return To Value (RTV) insurance from BMW would cover me if my car was stolen in the publicised way.
I was told that
- "There isn't actually a flaw with the security systems in the vehicle, it is affecting many other manufacturers as well"
- "[My] vehicle is susceptible to the particular method that has been highlighted on the Watchdog programme"
- "The method does require that there is a forced entry to the vehicle so they are having to break windows to gain entry"
- "We are looking to release a measure in the next 8 weeks that will prevent the vehicles being stolen using this method"
- "If the car is stolen there is no reason why any insurance company would refuse payment as the thieves are having to force entry into the car first"
- "This is a criminal activity (act of theft) which is breaking and entering"
- "The issue is affecting a lot of manufacturers not just BMW, but because we are BMW our vehicles are highly targeted compared to other manufacturers"
- "At this moment in time BMW are the only manufacturer that has released a measure and we are putting a measure in place to prevent vehicles being stolen using this device"
- "There is no other manufacturer that has taken a measure"
- "If the car is stolen using this method there is not reason why they may not pay out.. However it may take longer to settle these particular claims than it would do a normal claim"
- "The device criminals are using is marketed for the use of 3rd party garages. It is not designed for stealing vehicles"
- "Germany are currently carrying out testing as we speak, and as soon as it is released dealerships will be made aware. We are hoping it will be released ahead of 8 weeks".
As I'm not keen to have my car stolen and BMW have advised that a claim for this loss may take additional time, and the experience on the Radio 4 programme indicated that this was the case I'm keen to ensure that that my car is not stolen so I will:
- Use of a Disklok (small version) which I understand fits the steering wheel on this model.
Hopefully this will act as a deterrent and hope this up to date advice is useful for readers here.
Regards,
SlowDriver
WeirdNeville said:
ashway said:
are Minis affected by this issue, they run the same BMW stop start, push button start system?
No, they're not.CMOS said:
obdsecurity said:
I can confirm the BMW mini is effected with this issue
Based on?I think the actual answer we are looking for is none have been stolen yet, but it is in theory technically possible.
Ocdbeemer said:
The reason BMW are not updating pre march 2007 cars is because they believe newer cars are being targeted and therefore have decided to impose a cut off date.
Forget lci or pre lci, it's as simple as that. If you own a 56 reg your not on the list, but may still be effected !
Forget lci or pre lci, it's as simple as that. If you own a 56 reg your not on the list, but may still be effected !
Ocdbeemer said:
Ocdbeemer said:
The reason BMW are not updating pre march 2007 cars is because they believe newer cars are being targeted and therefore have decided to impose a cut off date.
Forget lci or pre lci, it's as simple as that. If you own a 56 reg your not on the list, but may still be effected !
Forget lci or pre lci, it's as simple as that. If you own a 56 reg your not on the list, but may still be effected !
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