New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

[Billyray911]

Just searched and found what I presume is the theft of y2dyc's M3.
Basically,entry to car via forcing the drivers door lock (def not window) and key is cloned to the car-one person present.Car is then left for a few minutes.
Thief with two mates then return to the car,open it and push it off the driveway for a quieter drive off-bingo!

[y2dyc]

sorry guys....hope these links work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kuT4L_xo&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNh1XCnofFM&fea...

[zahmed72]

y2dyc said:

Hi guys,

First post on this forum and thought i'd show you how easy it is to steal an M3. This car was taken a few days from my drive way. I'm the unforunate owner of the E92 M3. You'll see how quickly they actually get into the car is part 1. I count just under 5 seconds. And before anyone asks, my other CCTV footage shows me locking my car when i parked up.

Hey y2dyc, really sorry about your M3 getting nicked. It's terrible, I can only sympathesise as I had my BMW 530d M Sport taken last Saturday from my drive too. I know how you feel...if I could only find the people that took my car, I would ask them if they were "enjoying it"! Obviously that would be after breaking every single bone in their body!!! Not bitter at all as you can probably imagine! Good luck with the insurers and for the future mate.

[cptsideways]

y2dyc said:

sorry guys....hope these links work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kuT4L_xo&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNh1XCnofFM&fea...

Blimey within a few seconds to open the car, me thinks forcing the locks one way opens the car up??

[5678]

cptsideways said:

Blimey within a few seconds to open the car, me thinks forcing the locks one way opens the car up??

Scary indeed. There's the proof that these cars can be opened without breaking glass, without setting the alarm off and with no key!

[Zod]

cptsideways said:

y2dyc said:

sorry guys....hope these links work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kuT4L_xo&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNh1XCnofFM&fea...

Blimey within a few seconds to open the car, me thinks forcing the locks one way opens the car up??

Apparently, drilling the lock or forcing a knife or chisel into it opens the windows. That's why, a month before our X5 was stolen, I found it one rainy morning with all windows and the roof open, and was mystified at being unable to lock the carwithout them all opening again. It was only when my wife took it to the dealer that they pointed out that the lock had been drilled. There was no answer to my question as to why on Earht drilling ht elock should open all the windows.

[Brummmie]

VW group motors are even easier, i had my Passat then my Golf, and then my Leon
Cupra R opened identically using the same method, the windows were all dropped every time...

[aeropilot]

Zod said:

There was no answer to my question as to why on Earht drilling ht elock should open all the windows.

Something to do with the press and hold function on the remote fob which drops the windows perhaps.....?

[sinizter]

aeropilot said:

Zod said:

There was no answer to my question as to why on Earht drilling ht elock should open all the windows.

Something to do with the press and hold function on the remote fob which drops the windows perhaps.....?

Or comfort access

[Zod]

sinizter said:

aeropilot said:

Zod said:

There was no answer to my question as to why on Earht drilling ht elock should open all the windows.

Something to do with the press and hold function on the remote fob which drops the windows perhaps.....?

Or comfort access

Yes, technically that must be it, but it's hardly a feature that you'd design in, is it?

[Zod]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

My point is that it should not be beyond the wit of a carmaker like BMW to prevent the open windows function being operated by forcibly turning the lock barrel. It's a switch. Why not make the switch inoperable without the presence of the correct key. It's 2012 now. In 1992, I could just about understand it. Not now.

[GaffaTapeMan]

y2dyc said:

sorry guys....hope these links work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2kuT4L_xo&fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNh1XCnofFM&fea...

This makes me realy angry. I mean it is not like the old "jam screwdriver in the lock" trick is a new attack vector from the theiving scum. But no, it seems that not only can you unlock a BMW in seconds by doing this (deadlocks anyone?) but you can then simply open the door and climb in the cabin with no alarm condition being triggered!?!

WTF is the alarm for exactly if it is unable to detect this style of attack?

And there is still no problem with the security of their cars according to BMW. No recall. Possibly an optional "enhancement" in the works if you register but definitely no recall.
This is clearly the way they think the alarm should (not) funtion then...

I get the fact thet the real crux of the issue with all these cars going missing is down to the security hole that allows injecting of new keys into the car CAS so easily but to even mess up the most basic fundamentals of car security is not excusable.

I feel sorry for the guy that lost the car. Hope you get good service from your insurers.

[y2dyc]

GaffaTapeMan said:

This makes me realy angry. I mean it is not like the old "jam screwdriver in the lock" trick is a new attack vector from the theiving scum. But no, it seems that not only can you unlock a BMW in seconds by doing this (deadlocks anyone?) but you can then simply open the door and climb in the cabin with no alarm condition being triggered!?!

WTF is the alarm for exactly if it is unable to detect this style of attack?

And there is still no problem with the security of their cars according to BMW. No recall. Possibly an optional "enhancement" in the works if you register but definitely no recall.
This is clearly the way they think the alarm should (not) funtion then...

I get the fact thet the real crux of the issue with all these cars going missing is down to the security hole that allows injecting of new keys into the car CAS so easily but to even mess up the most basic fundamentals of car security is not excusable.

I feel sorry for the guy that lost the car. Hope you get good service from your insurers.

So far so good with the insurance, we'll just wait and see what type of settlement figure they end up giving. I have no idea how they get into the car within 5 seconds. I guess at the end of the day, the pro's can steal cars so efficiently (if you can call it that!).

I've actually got footage of the night before the theft and one hooded male going up to my car door with either a torch or electronic device. Flash's my car and buggers off. A friend that owns the same E92 M3 told me the VIN Chassis number is printed on that side of the window, so his assumption is the thieves getting the VIN number to recreate a key - which is how they got into the car so quickly and undetected the following night.

[Zod]

y2dyc said:

So far so good with the insurance, we'll just wait and see what type of settlement figure they end up giving. I have no idea how they get into the car within 5 seconds. I guess at the end of the day, the pro's can steal cars so efficiently (if you can call it that!).

I've actually got footage of the night before the theft and one hooded male going up to my car door with either a torch or electronic device. Flash's my car and buggers off. A friend that owns the same E92 M3 told me the VIN Chassis number is printed on that side of the window, so his assumption is the thieves getting the VIN number to recreate a key - which is how they got into the car so quickly and undetected the following night.

There's been no suggestion that you can create a key using the VIN number. The pairing process has the car accept the key, not the other way round.

[aeropilot]

Zod said:

y2dyc said:

So far so good with the insurance, we'll just wait and see what type of settlement figure they end up giving. I have no idea how they get into the car within 5 seconds. I guess at the end of the day, the pro's can steal cars so efficiently (if you can call it that!).

I've actually got footage of the night before the theft and one hooded male going up to my car door with either a torch or electronic device. Flash's my car and buggers off. A friend that owns the same E92 M3 told me the VIN Chassis number is printed on that side of the window, so his assumption is the thieves getting the VIN number to recreate a key - which is how they got into the car so quickly and undetected the following night.

There's been no suggestion that you can create a key using the VIN number. The pairing process has the car accept the key, not the other way round.

Indeed.

They maybe pre-clocking the VIN to check the spec/options fitted though....?

[va1o]

Brummmie said:

VW group motors are even easier, i had my Passat then my Golf, and then my Leon
Cupra R opened identically using the same method, the windows were all dropped every time...

Yeah they did have quite a big issue with that a few years ago. Quite a few owners took it into their own hands and removed the keyhole from the door replacing it with a blank, "delocking" http://vwgolfr32.co.uk/shop/Delock-Kits.htm

Nowhere near as bad as this BMW problem though as that flaw simply got you inside the car, they couldn't drive them of.

[Kuroblack350]

y2dyc said:

Hi guys,

First post on this forum and thought i'd show you how easy it is to steal an M3. This car was taken a few days from my drive way. I'm the unforunate owner of the E92 M3. You'll see how quickly they actually get into the car is part 1. I count just under 5 seconds. And before anyone asks, my other CCTV footage shows me locking my car when i parked up.

Part 1 - Cloning my key!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2ku...ature=youtu...

Part 2 - Taking my car!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNh1X...ature=youtu...

Can I ask when your M3 was built?

I ask because I received a letter from Lloyd Blackpool today telling me that my Sept 2011 built car was not affected. (I registered it with them following the Watchdog programme,) There was a brief discussion about this some pages ago in terms of the September 2011 cars falling right on the cut off, just wondering is any other folks are in the same boat.

Wonder what changed on the build line some time around September 2011..?

Car is still however wearing a disklok, and I have one of those OBD locks on order as well...

[ik186]

Hi guys,

I'm finally going to get back my M3 back this week since it was stolen on 8th Aug, unfortunately the only protection I will have when it comes back is a disklok because BMW tell me if I relocate the OBD or put in a fuel cut off I will invalidate my warranty. What I wanted to know is has anyone heard of any stolen with the Disklok initially on?

I have tried till I'm blue in the face with my dealer to help to protect my car because after experiencing 8 weeks of hell through insurance etc, I'm not too sure I could face going through all that again but as it stands there is a good chance it will be nicked again unless the disklok does offer great protection.

[ncbbmw]

Kuroblack350 said:

Can I ask when your M3 was built?

I ask because I received a letter from Lloyd Blackpool today telling me that my Sept 2011 built car was not affected. (I registered it with them following the Watchdog programme,) There was a brief discussion about this some pages ago in terms of the September 2011 cars falling right on the cut off, just wondering is any other folks are in the same boat.

Wonder what changed on the build line some time around September 2011..?

September 2011 build would make the car 2012 spec. BMW start building the following year's spec in September when the factory returns from the summer holiday shutdown so it sounds like they introduced F series 'obd security' to E series models for 2012 spec vehicles hence the cut off.

Whenever a modified part is introduced to production the change is done on the 1st day of the month.

Edited by ncbbmw on Tuesday 16th October 01:17

[Kuroblack350]

ncbbmw said:

September 2011 build would make the car 2012 spec. BMW start building the following year's spec in September when the factory returns from the summer holiday shutdown so it sounds like they introduced F series 'obd security' to E series models for 2012 spec vehicles hence the cut off.

Whenever a modified part is introduced to production the change is done on the 1st day of the month.

Edited by ncbbmw on Tuesday 16th October 01:17

Interesting, thanks for that.