New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

[anonymous-user]

smashy said:

REALIST123 said:

I'm surprised by these comments about CA. My car won't open if the key is more than a foot or so from the door you're trying to open.

Another thing I've noticed is if the key is in the same pocket as my iPhone the doors don't open.

Maybe that's it? Keep the keys with an iPhone?

I can look at my car through the front house window and watch the lights flash as I hit the key when its parked in the road,think ill keep them in the backroom.

Silent ninja hit my name and try emailing me see if it works I can then respond

Yes, of course. So could I. I understood we were talking about the comfort opening feature, not using the remote buttons.

[apotts]

REALIST123 said:

Yes, of course. So could I. I understood we were talking about the comfort opening feature, not using the remote buttons.

The issue is with the comfort opening feature. The crooks place a device near the keys and another device near the car, thus bridging the gap. The gap can be up to 50m, so they can pinch your car while you are wandering around the supermarket (person in supermarket beside you, other person by car).

http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf
http://www.fobguard.com/

[anonymous-user]

apotts said:

REALIST123 said:

Yes, of course. So could I. I understood we were talking about the comfort opening feature, not using the remote buttons.

The issue is with the comfort opening feature. The crooks place a device near the keys and another device near the car, thus bridging the gap. The gap can be up to 50m, so they can pinch your car while you are wandering around the supermarket (person in supermarket beside you, other person by car).

http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf
http://www.fobguard.com/

Thanks, I thought so. Anyone tried the fobguard?

[Mattt]

Can't you just tin foil line a box and make a DIY Faraday cage?

[Steffan]

Mattt said:

Can't you just tin foil line a box and make a DIY Faraday cage?

Strangely enough I was wondering that myself. If it is possible, there would seem to be some merit in the simplicity and some improvement, hopefully over the shielding this gives by preverting the signal being abused.

Seems the manufacturers really are not answering the concerns of ther buyers. Serious matter it does surprise me.

[youngsyr]

These might be good for keeping the comfort access fobs in:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-x-Metallised-Anti-Stat...

[smashy]

Someone on another forum wraps his in aluminium foil

[anonymous-user]

smashy said:

Someone on another forum wraps his in aluminium foil

RRally? Where's that?

[Dave350]

Unsure why but i'm doubtful of those key fob guards.

Anyone got any experience with them?

[smashy]

REALIST123 said:

RRally? Where's that?

Sorry cant remember

This is interesting kmeep en in the freezer!! https://www.wired.com/2016/03/study-finds-24-car-m...

[S93]

Hi guys, without trawling through the entire thread does anyone know if F32s are affected?

I came downstairs to my 4 series coupe's windows about 1/4 to 1/3 down, which is odd. I know with a double click of the unlock button on the keyfob they come down 1/2 way when the doors are opened. But neither door had been opened and they werent down as much as 1/2 way. Nothing taken from the car either.. A similar thing happened a few months back, but just on the drivers side. Anyone had similar issues/ possible theft attempts?

[VerySideways]

If you press and hold the unlock button, the doors will unlock and the windows will open.
If you then fail to open a door, the doors will re-lock.

Key in pocket?

[S93]

VerySideways said:

If you press and hold the unlock button, the doors will unlock and the windows will open.
If you then fail to open a door, the doors will re-lock.

Key in pocket?

Hmm interesting, I've just tried this, and it seems to make sense, as the window was down by a seemingly random amount (a quarter to a third) when I went out this morning, so it seems that the unlock button got pressed in my pocket for enough time for it to trigger the window to open by that amount.

I guess I'll have to be more careful in the future, luckily nothing got taken! Thanks for your reply

[VerySideways]

We've all done it

[smashy]

as this is resurected,,,my F30 has been unlocked again as has neigbours at least 3. I know how they do it they have a scanner that takes the codes from your keyfob thats in the house,,,answer is wrap your keys in Aluminium foil or buy a specific wallet from Amazon

[S93]

smashy said:

as this is resurected,,,my F30 has been unlocked again as has neigbours at least 3. I know how they do it they have a scanner that takes the codes from your keyfob thats in the house,,,answer is wrap your keys in Aluminium foil or buy a specific wallet from Amazon

That's worrying, is this a comfort access specific problem, or for all F series?

[smashy]

S93 said:

That's worrying, is this a comfort access specific problem, or for all F series?

All sorts of makes were being opened in the streets where I live

Lots of googling info ie https://www.wired.com/2016/03/study-finds-24-car-m...

Ive bought an RFID signal blocking bag from amazon ..........my spare is now wrappped in aluminium foil put your mobile in it and try ringing it no signal)


http://www.networkworld.com/article/2909589/micros...

Edited by smashy on Monday 27th February 14:45

[pingu393]

Whilst the problem affects "new" cars it can be dealt with directly between the original purchaser and the OEM / OEM's franchisee.

What is going to be the manufacturers' responses in ten year's time when these cars have had several owners?

I think I know the answer.

Built-in obsolescence .

[lukefreeman]

My pre LCI E91 335D got jacked at the weekend in Solihull. Definitely a chancer, as I probably spend 1 night a month there!

Glass on drive, both keys in my possession. Fingers crossed insurance aren't aholes and actually give me enough money to buy a comparable vehicle (>80k, leather, satnav etc).

Nasty feeling they'll lowball me, but I want 8-9k

[Monty Python]

lukefreeman said:

My pre LCI E91 335D got jacked at the weekend in Solihull. Definitely a chancer, as I probably spend 1 night a month there!

Glass on drive, both keys in my possession. Fingers crossed insurance aren't aholes and actually give me enough money to buy a comparable vehicle (>80k, leather, satnav etc).

Nasty feeling they'll lowball me, but I want 8-9k

There's one on AT at the moment for just under £9k - grab screenshots so you have evidence to support your valuation:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...