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jackwootton
36 posts
13 months
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This is quite disturbing. My neighbour has bought a new 3 series, so I'll get into contact with him, warning him what can happen.
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mrmr96
11,926 posts
73 months
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mrmr96 said: Could someone please tell me which types of key which are vulnerable to this. Thanks. Type 1  Type 2   Type 3 (two holes at the top, rectangular in shape)   Type 4 (different from type 3, as type 4 has one hole at the top and is trapezoidal in shape)  I've had it confirmed by a friend that from the pics above it's "Type 2 and newer" keys which are vulnerable.
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BM Automotive
4 posts
14 months
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We are currently re-locating the obd socket so its not where it should be, i dont think the crimes will take the time to strip the car down. Chances are if the alarm is going off they aint going to mess about looking for it
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WheresMyCar
43 posts
13 months
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va1o said: WheresMyCar said: smashy said: On a "Local " Forum , An Audi A3 Driver.:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
In the early hours, from a the forecourt of my house and very tightly parked with little space to get in and out of the car! Locked, alarmed and nothing visible to steal. I give up! The police think it was lifted. I heard a noise at 3.00am, looked outside and it had gone! Won't forget that sick feeling. What do we have to do for goodness sake, electrify them?
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We are all stuffed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spend a bit of time googling...from a quick look there appear to be devices that work with a variety of different makes of car. Maybe what we're seeing with all of the BMW thefts is a gang who invested in a BMW key maker, have seen that investment pay off big time and have now decided to invest in another key maker and major on a different make. No - it isn't the same. VAG still uses old fashioned flip keys, you can't just recode them like the modern electric keyfobs you get on a BMW one, as it has a physical key blade. Sure, so maybe some cars are more difficult than others. The site I found (UK based) listed a variety of services/software/tools across a bunch of different manufactures including Ford, Mercedes, Jaguar, Nissan, Porsche, Vauxhall, etc. There were different 'options' for the different makes, including key learning and mileage alteration. I don't claim to understand the mechanics related to each manufacturer, or how well these kits work, but the cost of buying the kit is in the hundreds and therefore a scally is likely to invest in something that will bring him most bang for the buck. I'm still nervous as hell about this, despite taking steps to protect my own car, but I'm wondering if this isn't just the start of a bigger problem across many manufacturers. I don't think that a stolen A3 is enough evidence to draw that conclusion yet though, and regardless I still would like to see owners of the stolen BMWs get together to pressurize BMW into a 'fix'.
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ArsE92
16,952 posts
56 months
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jackwootton said: This is quite disturbing. My neighbour has bought a new 3 series, so I'll get into contact with him, warning him what can happen. I'd advise making sure you know exactly what you are warning him of. If he's got the new Fxx 3-series then he's not at risk of the discussed method here apparently. It would be a shame to cause mass hysteria amongst all BMW owners for no reason!
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mrmr96
11,926 posts
73 months
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ArsE92 said: If he's got the new Fxx 3-series then he's not at risk of the discussed method here apparently. What makes you think that?
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ArsE92
16,952 posts
56 months
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mrmr96 said: ArsE92 said: If he's got the new Fxx 3-series then he's not at risk of the discussed method here apparently. What makes you think that? I thought I'd read on this very thread that the newer models are not susceptible to this attack? The problem with this thread (although it is very informative) is that there's no definitive information around which cars are at risk from a source that we know to be absolutely correct. We are all assuming that E9x are all susceptible, yet we had someone say that if they're on the latest firmware then they are ok.
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aeropilot
6,999 posts
96 months
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ArsE92 said: mrmr96 said: ArsE92 said: If he's got the new Fxx 3-series then he's not at risk of the discussed method here apparently. What makes you think that? I thought I'd read on this very thread that the newer models are not susceptible to this attack? It's very likely they are, it's just as yet, with them being so new, there probably isn't yet the demand for the parts that would make them a target for the scrotes that are effectively nicking these 'to order'.
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Panda76
1,015 posts
19 months
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Fox- said: Greenusman said: I think I'm going to have to settle for a banger until this problem is solved which lets face it is far from being over anytime soon! You don't need to buy a banger, just buy a nice, tidy example of a 2000-2005ish BMW with a conventional key. It'll be presentable, look nice, be well specified and nice to drive. And can't be stolen in this way, nor be of much interest to theives anyway. This is very true.I,m looking at selling my E91 and buying an older in good condition 5 series circa 2000-2002 with a nice petrol 6 pot for cash and rid myself of regular car payments. - Nothing to do with E9x being stolen,more an avenue I'm exploring.
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va1o
11,550 posts
76 months
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ArsE92 said: The problem with this thread (although it is very informative) is that there's no definitive information around which cars are at risk from a source that we know to be absolutely correct. We are all assuming that E9x are all susceptible, yet we had someone say that if they're on the latest firmware then they are ok. Agree completely Until we get some proper confirmation from BMW themselves (if that ever happens) I'd assume it's anything 2005 E90/ E87 era onward i.e. with the electric keyfob - which may have changed in appearance slightly over recent years but from an IT perspective is still fundamentally the same system.
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t8cmf
206 posts
29 months
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Does anybody have the BMW part number for the umbilical extension cable for the OBD port that some people have fitted to their car?
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NelsonR32
617 posts
40 months
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AndyM31 said: NelsonR32 said: Told the dealer last week that I won't be committing to a 135i order until BMW have done something to resolve the issue. I'm already getting stung on insurance by being hit by an uninsured driver without the premiums suddenly trippling. May I ask what the dealers reaction was? Did they acknowledge there was an issue? Ref: knowing an issue. See my post a few pages back  He asked if a "statement from BMW" would change my mind. But knowing it would be the same as whats already been posted I declined
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Steffan
6,182 posts
97 months
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NelsonR32 said: AndyM31 said: NelsonR32 said: Told the dealer last week that I won't be committing to a 135i order until BMW have done something to resolve the issue. I'm already getting stung on insurance by being hit by an uninsured driver without the premiums suddenly trippling. May I ask what the dealers reaction was? Did they acknowledge there was an issue? Ref: knowing an issue. See my post a few pages back He asked if a "statement from BMW" would change my mind. But knowing it would be the same as whats already been posted I declined That is, in essence, the problem with this topic. It is like watching Hamlet with The Prince of Denmark on the missing list. Unless pressure can be brought in BMW there will be no real progress in solving thus dreadful mess. How best to achieve that pressure? That is the question.
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NelsonR32
617 posts
40 months
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Steffan said: NelsonR32 said: AndyM31 said: NelsonR32 said: Told the dealer last week that I won't be committing to a 135i order until BMW have done something to resolve the issue. I'm already getting stung on insurance by being hit by an uninsured driver without the premiums suddenly trippling. May I ask what the dealers reaction was? Did they acknowledge there was an issue? Ref: knowing an issue. See my post a few pages back He asked if a "statement from BMW" would change my mind. But knowing it would be the same as whats already been posted I declined That is, in essence, the problem with this topic. It is like watching Hamlet with The Prince of Denmark on the missing list. Unless pressure can be brought in BMW there will be no real progress in solving thus dreadful mess. How best to achieve that pressure? That is the question. It will be a mixture of word of mouth, lease companies running a mile, insurance premiums going through the roof and customers like myself refusing to buy until BMW do something about it. My E46 is getting more and more faults by the day. But I may have to invest in it to keep it going as there isn't really anything that takes my fancy other than a 125i or 135i!
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richtea78
2,681 posts
27 months
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AutoAndy said: A label warning of fittment of a few thousand micro dots (each with the VIN number on), all over the car makes a pretty good deterant (Not worth their while trying to remove, as it only takes one to idnetify a car) - and they cant be electronically compromised.
People like Gardx and Datatag do them, and working on getting the dealers interested. As I understand it they arent being stolen for parts, they are stolen to supply demand in Eastern Europe and Africa. I very much doubt they are that concerned about microdots there
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Cheib
6,183 posts
44 months
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richtea78 said: AutoAndy said: A label warning of fittment of a few thousand micro dots (each with the VIN number on), all over the car makes a pretty good deterant (Not worth their while trying to remove, as it only takes one to idnetify a car) - and they cant be electronically compromised.
People like Gardx and Datatag do them, and working on getting the dealers interested. As I understand it they arent being stolen for parts, they are stolen to supply demand in Eastern Europe and Africa. I very much doubt they are that concerned about microdots there Someone posted earlier in the thread that police had told him high value cars were being shipped abroad but lower value cars were being broken up for parts. What the friggin police should be doing is making sure the bloody things don't get out of the country.
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ATM
3,093 posts
88 months
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My friend just called. His M3 went missing last night / this morning. He left his flat in London this morning and it was gone. There is some glass on the floor where it was parked. I just explained how they are taking them with blank keys etc and he is shocked BMW have done nothing about this. He said 'I am not buying another BMW!'
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trashbat
1,730 posts
22 months
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richtea78 said: As I understand it they arent being stolen for parts, they are stolen to supply demand in Eastern Europe and Africa. I very much doubt they are that concerned about microdots there Surely RHD is deeply unattractive for this? After all, Euro cars have the same vulnerability. I'd have thought it was for parts.
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richtea78
2,681 posts
27 months
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Now I may be totally wrong but isn't Russia and most of Africa RHD?
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trashbat
1,730 posts
22 months
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richtea78 said: Now I may be totally wrong but isn't Russia and most of Africa RHD? Not Russia. Lots of former British colonies are for obvious reasons, plus Japan. Not a lot of places that strike me as immediate target markets for stolen cars though (or to put it another way, s  tholes).
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