New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
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Zod said:
Attempt made overnight to steal our X5. They drilled the driver's door lock, but must have been disturbed as they didn't manage to steal the car. Found it this morning with all windows and roof open. Same method was used last year to steal my M5.
Time to buy a big vicious dog and leave it chained-up next to the car. Or a tiger.On a serious note: Sorry to hear about the damage / attempted theft. Have you got any deterrent plans for if they come back?
aussieal said:
Sorry to here that Zod.
All very frustrating/worrying as I'm on the cusp of buying an E90 330i.
Should I think twice?
I think if I lived in any of the 'hot spots' that seem to be London or Birmingham then I'd be buying additional security and nobbling the OBD port. I wouldn't let it determine what car I bought if I really wanted one.All very frustrating/worrying as I'm on the cusp of buying an E90 330i.
Should I think twice?
Sorry to hear about the attempted theft, Zod.
Thanks to WeirdNeville for a very informative post
I have been following posts on various forums with some concern for some weeks now. When I was first made aware of the issue and saw the youtube links to videos of the devices used, this is what I suspected, that the keys are added to the car CAS.
Does anyone know how many additional keys can be added? Is there only two additional key "slots"?
The reason I ask is that (at the risk of tempting fate!) I would be willing to remove this ability.
In my 18 years of driving I have never needed to get a new key cut or made for any of my vehicles.
If the key slots have been used does this prevent these devices adding new keys?
Might it be possible that a BMW dealer could re-add my existing two keys into the available slots thus filling up the slots and negating the issue?
This would essentially only be around 30 seconds work for someone with access to the required equipment and would be a simple enough way for BMW to close the security hole.
WeirdNeville said:
- The device mentioned earlier in this thread doesn't code the key to the car, it codes the car to the key - it adds the key to the CAS as an accepted key which then opens and starts the car as normal. You can code one key to multiple cars in this manner. The key is in effect "solid state" and can't be re-coded or given a new identity, and doesn't need to be.
Does anyone know how many additional keys can be added? Is there only two additional key "slots"?
The reason I ask is that (at the risk of tempting fate!) I would be willing to remove this ability.
In my 18 years of driving I have never needed to get a new key cut or made for any of my vehicles.
If the key slots have been used does this prevent these devices adding new keys?
Might it be possible that a BMW dealer could re-add my existing two keys into the available slots thus filling up the slots and negating the issue?
This would essentially only be around 30 seconds work for someone with access to the required equipment and would be a simple enough way for BMW to close the security hole.
anonymous said:
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I have repeatedly suggested this with Herbert Smith, Clifford Chance or Mishcon De Rea on the letterhead in a polite letter before proceedings.Having seen the reactions to such letters over many years I know the effect it has. Much greater than any personal complaint.
I do think that is the answer, if, judging from the length of this topic, there is an answer, to this disgraceful business. Good luck to you, Zod.
Steffan said:
I have repeatedly suggested this with Herbert Smith, Clifford Chance or Mishcon De Rea on the letterhead in a polite letter before proceedings.
Having seen the reactions to such letters over many years I know the effect it has. Much greater than any personal complaint.
I do think that is the answer, if, judging from the length of this topic, there is an answer, to this disgraceful business. Good luck to you, Zod.
Oh, I wish I could do this on my firm's letterhead.Having seen the reactions to such letters over many years I know the effect it has. Much greater than any personal complaint.
I do think that is the answer, if, judging from the length of this topic, there is an answer, to this disgraceful business. Good luck to you, Zod.
Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
mellyE92 said:
Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
Hi there,What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
I can't answer your questions, but I was curious to find out what year your car is?
Thanks
mellyE92 said:
Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
The "cloned" key can be removed from your cars system so that it won't work. Several methods of securing your car have been mentioned in the thread already, removing obd, secret switches, stop locks, blackjax, etcWhat a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
DpchMd said:
mellyE92 said:
Hi,
What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
Hi there,What a marathon thread. I hope BMW come clean and do something about this otherwise I can see them loosing a lot of custom.
Unfortunately I had my BMW E92 335d stolen last Tuesday night (west london). It has been recovered without damage (other than the panels in the boot being dismantled and the OBDC port cover loose in the driver footwell). Another example of the car being taken without keys which remain safely in my custody.
I am really quite confused as to what to do to secure the car as it would appear are my insurance company and local dealer. On the basis that someone is likely to be walking about with a key cloned for my car what can I do. I read with interest the postings that suggested that the car is coded to the key rather than the other way round. If so can the car be blocked for all keys except those in my possession and has anyone actually had this done by a dealer rather than being a theoretical solution?
I understand that replacing the locks wouldn't actually address the problem - is this the case?
Many thanks
I can't answer your questions, but I was curious to find out what year your car is?
Thanks
Clivey said:
I like the idea of "Caution: OBD Port Disabled" stickers on the front door windows. - With a bit of luck, the scrotes would see them and decide to go after an easier target rather than attempting to steal the car and causing £000's worth of damage in the process.
There must be a PH'er who can knock these up for a few quid. Bit of profit for them, a bit of peace of mind for us. I'd happily pay a few quid for a pair.JulietRomeo said:
Careful careful, could be the guys who are pulling of the steals who sell you an obd disabled sticker. They'll then know you have a tasty model, your address, and that you don't have the obd port disabled.
I really need to go out and get a disclock...
I didn't mean fake stickers...I really need to go out and get a disclock...
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