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sinizter
3,346 posts
55 months
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Mr-B said: Maybe anyone in the market for a used BM from a dealer should ask for a kill switch to be fitted as a condition of the sale? Win/win for both parties, they get a sale that may fall through without it and the owner gets peace of mind. I would guess that VERY FEW sales are being lost through concern for the above problem. Some dealer may play ball, many won't.
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JABB
3,164 posts
105 months
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Pferdestarke said: Can anyone tell me if this 7 that I'm thinking of buying is affected?  Absolutely!!! One of the worst cars affected. It makes them worthless.... Tell the owner immediately and ask them to factor this in when asking the price!
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JimmyTheHand
463 posts
11 months
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Mr Bimmer said: Urm... yes. Most people will buy a Tracker or Trackstar device on a new BMW for around £600. That's been the case for many Years now. Most of us who put things like trackers on don't put them to mitigate what appears a fundamental security design flaw - we put them on because we know the best security only buys time against the bad guys the tracker adds extra time on our side. Mr Bimmer said: Another £200 or so for a security device is hardly going to break the bank is it. A local garage can fit a hidden kill switch for £100 if you aren't too flush after paying £40k for the car. If the car wasn't provided with what is meant to be a state of the art alarm security system no, but why should anyone pay extra to over come such a fundamental flaw, especially since the bad guys are liable to break the window/lock before they find out it wasn't worth their effort? If all customers were as willing to pay for extras already meant to be on the car as you - will BMW fix anything, I think not.
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aryastark
170 posts
18 months
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Random story, a friend randomly brought up the conversation of cars, specifically bmw's getting stolen and he told me a story went around a month or so ago of 30 cars getting stolen in and around Birmingham in the space of 1 night, he made reference to the movie 'gone in 60 seconds', which did make me snigger alittle, but worrying for any owners nonetheless.
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Steffan
6,190 posts
97 months
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JimmyTheHand said: Mr Bimmer said: Urm... yes. Most people will buy a Tracker or Trackstar device on a new BMW for around £600. That's been the case for many Years now. Most of us who put things like trackers on don't put them to mitigate what appears a fundamental security design flaw - we put them on because we know the best security only buys time against the bad guys the tracker adds extra time on our side. Mr Bimmer said: Another £200 or so for a security device is hardly going to break the bank is it. A local garage can fit a hidden kill switch for £100 if you aren't too flush after paying £40k for the car. If the car wasn't provided with what is meant to be a state of the art alarm security system no, but why should anyone pay extra to over come such a fundamental flaw, especially since the bad guys are liable to break the window/lock before they find out it wasn't worth their effort? If all customers were as willing to pay for extras already meant to be on the car as you - will BMW fix anything, I think not. That is, I think the real problem. Unless the owners can push BMW into standing up to their failings I see no solution at all. There are emollients that can be applied by owners but the fundamental security on the car is dreadful. By design.
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r999
63 posts
23 months
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Well, here's another way to ratchet up the publicity. A FOI request: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/keyless_bmw_...No point in making one where I live - the answer would be counter-productive - but in the big centres of population it should produce another stick or two to beat BMW with.
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bulldog5046
963 posts
47 months
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r999 said: Well, here's another way to ratchet up the publicity. A FOI request: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/keyless_bmw_...No point in making one where I live - the answer would be counter-productive - but in the big centres of population it should produce another stick or two to beat BMW with. That looks good. Maybe we should send one to each constabulry? I'd kick in a few quick if they do want to charge to release the info...
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Cheib
6,232 posts
44 months
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I like the idea of Twitter or Facebook as someone suggested earlier. Anyone an expert at this stuff?
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bulldog5046
963 posts
47 months
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We could do something similar to this: http://uksnowmap.com/#/people can tweet a hashtag and have the postcode of where the car was stolen from added to the map. But i'm not so sure people will use it as much as we would like.
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neil-c
159 posts
50 months
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I know the question was asked around page 30 but has there been any confirmation if new model 1 series has this weakness?
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AndyM31
804 posts
74 months
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neil-c said: I know the question was asked around page 30 but has there been any confirmation if new model 1 series has this weakness? Yes it does so I was told by the Local Police that has been patrolling the streets where I live. They are even testing that the doors are locked.
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eliot
5,324 posts
123 months
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bulldog5046 said: We could do something similar to this: http://uksnowmap.com/#/people can tweet a hashtag and have the postcode of where the car was stolen from added to the map. But i'm not so sure people will use it as much as we would like. someone on this or a similar thread setup a google map
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mellyE92
4 posts
11 months
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Hi,
Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).
It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.
Thanks on advance.
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sinizter
3,346 posts
55 months
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mellyE92 said: Hi,
Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).
It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.
Thanks on advance. When I bought my 2008 E92 M3 from the dealers, I only got the two fobs.
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t8cmf
207 posts
29 months
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mellyE92 said: Hi,
Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).
It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.
Thanks on advance. I've not got a plastic key with my E92 M3 either. Does he mean the key that pulls out of the end of the key fob?
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tonker
43,845 posts
117 months
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That PH sponsored event by BMW ad is showing again. Poor show chaps. We expected some journalistic integrity...... it's now clear why Haymarket isn't running stories about this problem.
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Zyp
5,705 posts
58 months
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tonker said: That PH sponsored event by BMW ad is showing again. Poor show chaps. We expected some journalistic integrity...... it's now clear why Haymarket isn't running stories about this problem. I'm wholly surprised this thread is still here.
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Tea Pot One
1,342 posts
97 months
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This thread is dying .... most people who need to know do ... and BMW are not going to say anything unless they can sort it.
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Steffan
6,190 posts
97 months
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Tea Pot One said: This thread is dying .... most people who need to know do ... and BMW are not going to say anything unless they can sort it. I fear that is right. Clearly BMW can ignore this problem. Not good or fair.
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sjg
4,297 posts
134 months
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r999 said: Well, here's another way to ratchet up the publicity. A FOI request: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/keyless_bmw_...No point in making one where I live - the answer would be counter-productive - but in the big centres of population it should produce another stick or two to beat BMW with. Well there's a reply there now - short version is that the police don't know the exact nature of the theft unless the car is recovered, and generally don't record enough information in their systems to pull out cases by make & model.
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