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contracttor
296 posts
54 months
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TheEnd said: That's a theory I disagree with... Could you explain why you disagree with it?
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93Jay
3,104 posts
33 months
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mrmr96 said: TheEnd said: mrmr96 said: However it's been explained on this thread that this is not the case. Instead the CAR is coded to the KEY. That's a theory I disagree with... Ok, I don't know either way - I was just trying to summarise some of the content from the last x pages.  You're are correct, the two police officers that have posted, said exactly that. Apparently one key is being used for multiple cars.
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jimbobsimmonds
1,373 posts
34 months
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c7xlg said: I can't believe no one has commented on this yet:
" my 6 month old 330im Sport conveertable had been stolen from my drive "
"the police basically told me not to buy another high end BMW"
Ummm... since when has a 1, 3 or even a 5 that doesn't have a M (at the front!) of it's model designation been considered a 'high end BMW'???
I'd consider 1 or 3 to be quite the opposite. Considering 7s start at £56K, M5/M6 are pushing £80-100,000 I don't' think a £20-40K 1er, 3er or 5 is anywhere near 'high end'. Hate to dwell on this point and forgive me if this point has been made further on it the thread but... £30-40k might not be a lot of money to you but to the majority of the population it is. Also they are stealing these cars to make money; and I would imagine theiving types like to have a quick turnaround of cars for obvious reasons. I would imagine they will find selling parts/entire cars off 1ers and 3ers easier than a 7 series (can't remember the last time I see a 7 series, whereas 1s and 3s are tenapenny).
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TheEnd
12,099 posts
57 months
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93Jay said: mrmr96 said: TheEnd said: mrmr96 said: However it's been explained on this thread that this is not the case. Instead the CAR is coded to the KEY. That's a theory I disagree with... Ok, I don't know either way - I was just trying to summarise some of the content from the last x pages. You're are correct, the two police officers that have posted, said exactly that. Apparently one key is being used for multiple cars. There are 5 versions of the CAS system, 1,2,3, 3+ and 4. I know the CAS4 version can't be written to without removing it and programming it via BDM (a debugging connector that puts you in contact with the MCU processor) The earlier versions can be read and written to through OBD, but the later versions can only be read. In those cases, you read the expected "dealer" key, and make it up using the inbuilt key programmers, so it gets what it is expecting. Older versions could use one key for everything as you can write the details of the "skeleton key" into the CAS as allowed. So, there's two ways of doing it, you read a valid key, and make one up as a clone of this, or you have any key, and you program the CAS to accept it. One key fits all works on old cars, only "dealer" keys work on new models so it is more likely that a mix of methods are used. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGGpQUdlo0There's the same process used on Mercedes, read the allowed keys from the immobiliser, then you can program that into a blank key.
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Riggers
1,841 posts
47 months
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Billyray911
278 posts
73 months
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t8cmf said: I believe the Blackjax is connected to your drivers side door switch / interior light circuit. As soon as your door opens the Blackjax timer is activated. The upside is a quick reacting system but the downside is a system that means you can't just nip out of your car whilst leaving it idling as it will activate the Blackjax. The keypad fitted to the dash resets the system. I want one myself but a member of another forum tells me that the Blackjax 5 system will bring up errors on my E92 M3's iDrive system. I can't find anything about this online though nor can I find an E92 M3 with the system fitted. First off,glad this issue is now getting the attention that it deserves on this site... I've an E91 335d with Blackjax fitted.Ive had no issues whatsoever with the system or errors on my idrive.I don't think there will be any fundamental differences with our cars that would create issues with yours and not mine-could be wrong though! All I'll say is get a decent installer to do the job and not a mobile who claims to be able to install it in a couple of hours on your driveway! I've had no warranty issues either with bmw.It's a great bit of kit when you get used to it. You are right about just popping out of the car as the system is very pro active and activates quickly. However,it's worth the effort and may mean you modify how you use your car slightly ie if you have to pop out of your car,just turn the engine off! Any questions,just ask...
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mrmr96
11,957 posts
73 months
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Riggers said: Cheers Riggers. Thanks for having the balls to do the story. I think this will gain momentum now, so you've done us all a favour. (This thread is 14 man sized pages after several weeks, the one on the story is already at 2 man sized pages in a couple of hours!)
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t8cmf
206 posts
29 months
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Billyray911 said: First off,glad this issue is now getting the attention that it deserves on this site...
I've an E91 335d with Blackjax fitted.Ive had no issues whatsoever with the system or errors on my idrive.I don't think there will be any fundamental differences with our cars that would create issues with yours and not mine-could be wrong though!
All I'll say is get a decent installer to do the job and not a mobile who claims to be able to install it in a couple of hours on your driveway!
I've had no warranty issues either with bmw.It's a great bit of kit when you get used to it.
You are right about just popping out of the car as the system is very pro active and activates quickly.
However,it's worth the effort and may mean you modify how you use your car slightly ie if you have to pop out of your car,just turn the engine off!
Any questions,just ask...
Yeah, I think I will take the plunge when I can get the time off for work and get it fitted. I like the pro-active operation of the system and as you say it will require a slight change in the way the car is used. It's something I can live with.
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Steffan
6,187 posts
97 months
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mrmr96 said: Riggers said: Cheers Riggers. Thanks for having the balls to do the story. I think this will gain momentum now, so you've done us all a favour. (This thread is 14 man sized pages after several weeks, the one on the story is already at 2 man sized pages in a couple of hours!) Excellent news for all BMW owners. I hope it galvanises some recognition of the problem from BMW.
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smashy
280 posts
27 months
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0a
8,438 posts
63 months
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smashy said: Just double checking weve all seen this Bloody hell 8000 EUR and he sells the keys as well.
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NelsonR32
617 posts
40 months
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Riggers said: Hmmm, seems more like an carefully worded apologist news story for BMW to me. The article suggests that other brands are at risk because of encoders on the market and that "this issue is not limited to BMWs". There is a fundamental difference here; the other manufacturers that use "slot" keys have processes that stop them being recoded to different cars, BMW don't. The problem is not the encondors being available to your local Fred in a Shed, it's the lax systems BMW have put in place to prevent existing keys being coded to other vehicles. In fact, I would go as far to say that out of the big three (Marc, Audi, BMW) not ONE Merc or Audi that uses a "slot key" has been stolen using this flaw, compared to the twelfthy billion BMW's...
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t8cmf
206 posts
29 months
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NelsonR32 said: In fact, I would go as far to say that out of the big three (Marc, Audi, BMW) not ONE Merc or Audi that uses a "slot key" has been stolen using this flaw, compared to the twelfthy billion BMW's... I think you'll find that it's thirteenthy billion stolen beemers so far!!
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BJT
1,415 posts
116 months
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Three threads now so now way can I read everything.
What I would do (as I have a 135i on my shopping list this year), fit an extra aftermarket alarm, a tracker and a steering wheel lock.
The OBD then needs a wire break on the power cable and possibly a hidden switch.
The other option is a Merc or an Audi but I'm not a Taxi driver or a sales rep....
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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BJT said: The other option is a Merc or an Audi but I'm not a Taxi driver or a sales rep.... So why are you getting a BMW?
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BJT
1,415 posts
116 months
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tonker
43,833 posts
117 months
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BJT said: True  135i Convertable isn't too sales rep like. Eh, I can only assume you wear pencil skirts and size 10 blouses with kevlar cotton thread to the buttons to keep in your heaving, and tattooed, bosom.... ? It's the car for the mid 30s permatango rep who thinks she's still got it
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BJT
1,415 posts
116 months
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tonker said: Eh, I can only assume you wear pencil skirts and size 10 blouses with kevlar cotton thread to the buttons to keep in your heaving, and tattooed, bosom.... ? It's the car for the mid 30s permatango rep who thinks she's still got it   Right, one sentence and you just put me off them. Back to the Autotrader.
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tonker
43,833 posts
117 months
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BJT said: Right, one sentence and you just put me off them. Back to the Autotrader. Damn , I was hoping you WERE that fading, but still bright, star. They become nervous at 30, and desperate by 35, judging by my wife's friends.... they'll settle for nearly anything as they realise that having it all means they are left with rapidly declining chances of a family and are at risk of having to pay out some of their money to a man in a future divorce....
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BJT
1,415 posts
116 months
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tonker said: Damn , I was hoping you WERE that fading, but still bright, star. They become nervous at 30, and desperate by 35, judging by my wife's friends.... they'll settle for nearly anything as they realise that having it all means they are left with rapidly declining chances of a family and are at risk of having to pay out some of their money to a man in a future divorce....
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