New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

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zahmed72

4 posts

137 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Hi All,

My first post here and i wanted to start by sharing with you that my 2007 BMW 530d M Sport (with a stop/start button) was stolen from outside my house in Birmingham this Sunday gone. The alarm did not go off, there were only a few specs of glass on my drive and we did not hear anything. My neighbour said he saw 3 hooded people hanging around and looking shifty between 3-3.30am and he was distracted for a few minutes and when he looked back my car was gone. A colleague who lives in Solihull had her 1 Series M Sport taken over the weekend as well. My advice: if anyone has BMW, get rid of it before it gets stolen!

zahmed72

4 posts

137 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Hi All,

My first post here and i wanted to start by sharing with you that my 2007 BMW 530d M Sport (with a stop/start button) was stolen from outside my house in Birmingham this Sunday gone. The alarm did not go off, there were only a few specs of glass on my drive and we did not hear anything. My neighbour said he saw 3 hooded people hanging around and looking shifty between 3-3.30am and he was distracted for a few minutes and when he looked back my car was gone. A colleague who lives in Solihull had her 1 Series M Sport taken over the weekend as well. My advice: if anyone has BMW, get rid of it before it gets stolen!

youngsyr

14,622 posts

191 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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zahmed72 said:
Hi All,

My first post here and i wanted to start by sharing with you that my 2007 BMW 530d M Sport (with a stop/start button) was stolen from outside my house in Birmingham this Sunday gone. The alarm did not go off, there were only a few specs of glass on my drive and we did not hear anything. My neighbour said he saw 3 hooded people hanging around and looking shifty between 3-3.30am and he was distracted for a few minutes and when he looked back my car was gone. A colleague who lives in Solihull had her 1 Series M Sport taken over the weekend as well. My advice: if anyone has BMW, get rid of it before it gets stolen!
That must be absolutely gutting. frown


zahmed72

4 posts

137 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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youngsyr said:
That must be absolutely gutting. frown
Yes youngsyr, totally devastated. I've had it for 2 years now and it was just serviced, MOT'd, new brakes and 2 new Michelin Sport Max tyres on 19inch rear wheels (costing around £1400 alone for all this work!). Problem is: what car do I go for now? (assuming my insurers pay out)...I have decided against another BMW if it can be stolen with such ease. The other thing that is sick is that some crook has the time to go round and look for such cars!

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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cptsideways said:
Zod said:
WeirdNeville said:
t's not a new key. Nothing on the key changes. You can use any key. you can use the same key over and over. In the videos you see ofthese devices, the induction loop on the device reads the code out of the key and injects it into the cars security module.
You can take a key from one car, inject that key into the CAS of another car, and the key in your hand will open and start BOTH cars.

In summary:
1) The primary flaw is one of authentication, or lack of it. This means that a cars security system can be manipulated to accept any compatible key as a trusted key in moments. At present, no other cars but BMW's are being subjected to this in the "wild". Others may be vulnerable, but right now, it's only happening to BMW's.
2) Secondary to this, flaws in the alarm system making it possible to break a window and even reach into the car without triggering the alarm facilitate the theft.
3) It's a high tech crime: You need an expensive tool to do it (not $70 as reported in US media, but not a whole heap more).
4) BMW diesels with M-sport kits seem to be targeted most, and it is any car with push button ignition and no proper key blade (an electronic only key) from 2005-2011 that is vulnerable, give or take a few special models.
5) Although some thefts are being committed by breaking glass or reaching into the car, or drilling/manipulating locks, cars ARE being taken with no visible damage being done to them. So an alarm upgrade alone is not going to prevent these thefts now there is an established disposal chain for parts and cars. There are thieves making a good living from this.
No. Unless the car has even left open, they need to drill the lock or break the window to gain access to code the key to the car.

But what would I know? I've only experienced it twice; once by each method.
The locks can be picked in seconds without damaging them
I've never heard of a case of that happening. Most of the thieves with this expensive key-coding kit must therefore be idiots, given they drill locks or break windows when all they need to do is quickly pick the lock.

TX1

2,346 posts

182 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Dear oh dear, Zahmed72 your neighbor deserves a medal.
If I saw 3 hooded shifty looking characters at 3 am hanging about outside my house the first thing I would do is called the plod let alone get distracted for a few minutes.

t8cmf

342 posts

159 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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zahmed72 said:
My neighbour said he saw 3 hooded people hanging around and looking shifty between 3-3.30am and he was distracted for a few minutes and when he looked back my car was gone.
What was he distracted by at 3am......Babestation?!?!

va1o

16,028 posts

206 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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t8cmf said:
What was he distracted by at 3am......Babestation?!?!
laugh

Horizon motors

3 posts

137 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Hi everyone, I thought I would add my experience of this last night. I will start off by letting you all know I am a BMW independent dealer operating from home, and have several BMW's here with the electronic key one of which is a 30k M3, which luckily wasn't here last night!

This morning we realised that the bolt lock from our gate had been unscrewed and thrown on the grass next to it, which obviously pointed at someone wanting to take a car, but as all of the cars were ok I just presumed that they had been scared off by something.

An hour later I got into my 2007 320d M Sport to move it because it was blocking 2 other cars and when I opened it I immediately knew it had been an attempted theft because the OBD cover was laying on the drivers Matt and the secondary cover for the actual OBD electronic port was pulled "out". There was no sign of damage to the lock or window and the theives had even locked the car when they gave up.

Looking back at last week I had a lady call about the car because she was "interested" in buying it, at this point she asked me if the car is parked in a garage or driveway etc, she then turned up to view it with her "partner" the next day at 10pm, and at the time asked me if I could throw her drinks carton In the bin and get her a tissue.... In my opinion this was related to the attempted theft and at the point I was told to go and get the lady a tissue I think that some kind of interception Into the cars central locking coding had taken place. They were not left for long enough to code a key but may of had a "grab" device in the car they arrived in.

I feel I needed to add what happened to me as I read a lot about whether or not the their needs to damage anything to gain entry - in my case you would not even know someone had been in the car. What I found even more interesting was that I had a £300 satnav sitting on the passenger seat and the theives didn't touch it!!

Elroy Blue

8,683 posts

191 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Recovered quite a few BMWs and never seen one that had the lock 'picked'. Usually window damage. Frustratingly, I stopped a BMW the other night which seemed to be travelling with an older car. Owner knew all about the thefts, but was pissed off because I'd stopped them to check out it wasn't stolen. Can't win sometimes.

stevensdrs

3,207 posts

199 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Horizon motors said:
Hi everyone, I thought I would add my experience of this last night. I will start off by letting you all know I am a BMW independent dealer operating from home, and have several BMW's here with the electronic key one of which is a 30k M3, which luckily wasn't here last night!

This morning we realised that the bolt lock from our gate had been unscrewed and thrown on the grass next to it, which obviously pointed at someone wanting to take a car, but as all of the cars were ok I just presumed that they had been scared off by something.

An hour later I got into my 2007 320d M Sport to move it because it was blocking 2 other cars and when I opened it I immediately knew it had been an attempted theft because the OBD cover was laying on the drivers Matt and the secondary cover for the actual OBD electronic port was pulled "out". There was no sign of damage to the lock or window and the theives had even locked the car when they gave up.

Looking back at last week I had a lady call about the car because she was "interested" in buying it, at this point she asked me if the car is parked in a garage or driveway etc, she then turned up to view it with her "partner" the next day at 10pm, and at the time asked me if I could throw her drinks carton In the bin and get her a tissue.... In my opinion this was related to the attempted theft and at the point I was told to go and get the lady a tissue I think that some kind of interception Into the cars central locking coding had taken place. They were not left for long enough to code a key but may of had a "grab" device in the car they arrived in.

I feel I needed to add what happened to me as I read a lot about whether or not the their needs to damage anything to gain entry - in my case you would not even know someone had been in the car. What I found even more interesting was that I had a £300 satnav sitting on the passenger seat and the theives didn't touch it!!
Wonder why they were not successful if it's so easy to code a key? confused

Horizon motors

3 posts

137 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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I get the feeling they must have been disturbed, unless their equipment didn't work... Needless to say all of the BMW's I am selling that have the newer key are all blocked in by BMW's with the older key type.

I felt the need the post because I am pretty sure if these thieves have hardware advanced enough to program a key I am pretty confident the more advanced thief can get into the car without major fuss.

smashy

3,030 posts

157 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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This on the Babybmw site ,a response to a guys 123d stolen.

Sorry to hear about your loss, Im a police officer in the west midlands and live in central Brum. Think we're almost into double figures for the number of BMW's that are being taken daily! We can and we do set 'bait' or capture cars. But unfortunately the quipment is really expensive and so are hiring cars, so its few and far between.

I really think i need to move my OBC port, is there a private guide we could setup, explaing how to do it, but make sure its only availble to members? Maybe members that have been on here for 6 months plus, or posted a certain number of posts?


On my local forum a long street has now had 6 yes 6!!!!!!!!!!!!! BMWS taken.

ik186

19 posts

153 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Hi,

Went into to my local dealer today because they wanted me to come in to order the new locks and provide various forms of id. Remember my M3 convertible was stolen on 8 Aug at 3am with the hoody staring straight at me so I wouldnt click on that it was my car the git was stealing!

It's been a nightmare of a process but nevertheless as I was waiting for the parts section I got hold off someone from the service area and asked for an update on the so called 'fix'. He said they havent heard anything but it will probably be another 5 weeks. I asked him what was the so called fix hoping since he acknowledge the X5 and X6 were being done he would know but slightly confused when he responded because it wasnt an answer with certainty.

According to him its to change the locks as the thieves are picking at the locks to drop the windows to which I responded so what about those which are having the window smashed? He went on to say "well they must be also looking at a software update"! huh?? but surely he could tell me what they had done with the x5's.

Anyway i asked him are they going to do anything with the OBD and he said dont think so, I went on to say well why am I getting my locks changed when surely you would look to BMW UK to try the fix on my car and save themselves some money. I went to say BMW's are continuing to be stolen everyday and its ridiculous that the alarm system is so poor and the so called fix is not really addressing the concerns of us BMW owners!! Low and behold, yes you guessed it the now familiar response came back telling me thats its not just BMW's who are affected, any car can be stolen at which point I smiled and walked away.

So i'm due to get my car back soon with the repairs carried out (trust me BMW made a killing cause i cant work out what repairs there were) but I'm not too sure I want the car back because the chances are it will be stolen again fairly quickly!!! Disklok has been purchased and looking for a car cover but in all honesty i just cant see myself enjoying the car, only had it a few weeks before the sc*m took it!!

So not really a great update, I dont know if the dealers genuinely dont know how big this problem is or if they have had instructions from HQ to play dumb.

aeropilot

34,173 posts

226 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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ik186 said:
I dont know if the dealers genuinely dont know how big this problem is or if they have had instructions from HQ to play dumb.
Probably a combination of both.


t8cmf

342 posts

159 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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smashy said:
I really think i need to move my OBC port, is there a private guide we could setup, explaing how to do it, but make sure its only availble to members?
Smashy,

I'm not sure if this link had been posted on here yet but have a look through the thread below. Some guy has collated all the available security ideas together into one handy thread. It's worth a read. thumbup

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741...


JABB

3,583 posts

235 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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t8cmf said:
Smashy,

I'm not sure if this link had been posted on here yet but have a look through the thread below. Some guy has collated all the available security ideas together into one handy thread. It's worth a read. thumbup

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741...
Website down until Monday

y2dyc

4 posts

137 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Hi guys,

First post on this forum and thought i'd show you how easy it is to steal an M3. This car was taken a few days from my drive way. I'm the unforunate owner of the E92 M3. You'll see how quickly they actually get into the car is part 1. I count just under 5 seconds. And before anyone asks, my other CCTV footage shows me locking my car when i parked up.

Part 1 - Cloning my key!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll2ku...ature=youtu...

Part 2 - Taking my car!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNh1X...ature=youtu...


smack

9,726 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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Sorry about your car getting nicked, but your links don't work fella.

pc.iow

1,879 posts

202 months

Sunday 14th October 2012
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smack said:
Sorry about your car getting nicked, but your links don't work fella.
Nicked with the car maybe?






Sorry, couldn’t resist.