New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys

[Mr Bimmer]

r999 said:

Ah yes, how right you are. I shouldn't have fed the troll.

Yum yum.

Now assuming you actually own a BMW ( ask permission if not). could you kindly try your actual metal key in your door lock and hold it against the stop when unlocking it from alarmed for a few seconds.

Does the window roll down?

Now do the same again with the fob, holding the unlock button from locked for a few seconds.

What happens?

[r999]

Mr Bimmer said:

Yum yum.

Now assuming you actually own a BMW ( ask permission if not). could you kindly try your actual metal key in your door lock and hold it against the stop when unlocking it from alarmed for a few seconds.

Does the window roll down?

All four windows roll down. Followed by the panoramic roof opening.

Mr Bimmer said:

Now do the same again with the fob, holding the unlock button from locked for a few seconds.

What happens?

All four windows roll down. Followed by the panoramic roof opening.

Is that enough to shut you up for today?

[Mr Bimmer]

r999 said:

All four windows roll down. Followed by the panoramic roof opening.

Is that enough to shut you up for today?

How rude are you?

I hope that in whatever line of work you are in that you don't act like that.

Can't you tell when someone is trying to help you.?

[r999]

Mr Bimmer said:

Can't you tell when someone is trying to help you.?

If your recent posts are your idea of helping people, spare us your attempts to hinder people. You have offered no helpful information whatever, merely pointless and unbelievable assertions with no evidence to back them up. Oh, and you've asked a few questions, without explaining why you think they matter. When challenged, you have ducked the challenge. You're acting as a troll, and your protestations that you're being treated rudely are pretty thin considering that you're the one misleading many people who have suffered loss and inconvenience.

If you have help to offer, put up or shut up.

[ArsE92]

Mr Bimmer said:

don'tbesilly said:

Mr Bimmers claims have been questioned on numerous occasions,he normally ignores the more challenging ones,or just disappears from the thread when the questions become a tad to trying.

Mr Bimmer is clearly a big fanboi of BMW,or works for them in some capacity,as he seems to think that BMW have no responsibility for this fiasco,and that we as owners are solely responsible for the security of our 40K cars!

Lol. Don't be silly.

I see what you did there.

[Mr Bimmer]

ArsE92 said:

I see what you did there.

Glad to see that someone has a sense of humour on here. I really do find some members quite obnoxious.

Anyway. Further to my question to the rather odd chap with no manners: (Bully?)

If anyone here has had a recent software flash or the official security update, could they report back what happens when they use the actual brass key in their locks.

You should find that the window will roll down when holding the fob, but not when holding the key against it's stop. This stops anyone who tries to jam a screwdriver into the lock to roll the windows down.

They will also find that the key can't be cloned without having their original key in the dash. This prevents use of the key copying device

Hence my question to Dudikoff, who's car had the window smashed (window wouldn't roll down) but his car wasn't taken (couldn't clone a key). I am assuming he had a recent firmware update.

Edited by Mr Bimmer on Wednesday 21st November 06:46

[t8cmf]

Mr Bimmer said:

Glad to see that someone has a sense of humour on here. I really do find some members quite obnoxious.

Anyway. Further to my question to the rather odd chap with no manners:

If anyone here has had a recent software flash or the official security update, could they report back what happens when they use the actual brass key in their locks.

You should find that the window will roll down when holding the fob, but not when holding the key against it's stop. This stops anyone who tries to jam a screwdriver into the lock to roll the windows down.

They will also find that the key can't be cloned without having their original key in the dash. This prevents use of the key copying device

Hence my question to Dudikoff, who's car had the window smashed (window wouldn't roll down) but his car wasn't taken (couldn't clone a key). I am assuming he had a recent firmware update.

I tried the key in the lock thing today on my 2007 E92 M3 and as expected the windows dropped. I then went to my BMW dealership and booked it in for the firmware update which is happening on Friday morning. Hopefully the windows will not drop on Friday afternoon indicating that the update was successfully installed. I tried to get more information about the update from the dealership reference the OBD port disabling rumours. Their correspondence only refers to the window dropping feature via the key being removed. There was no mention of any programming changes to the OBD port at all. I was a little disappointed by this. Why would BMW lead this enhancement drive with a window dropping feature instead of the killer feature we all want which is a disabled OBD port? They do not refer to it at all in their literature.

Also, a question for Mr Bimmer, why do you / people keep referring to this issue as a key cloning issue? As far as my rudimentary knowledge on this subject goes no keys are being cloned. The thieves are accessing the CAS Module using their EDILOCK programmer and are authenticating the car (8 blank key spaces in module) to their own key which could be a blank or another BMW key. The owners original keys are not touched or cloned and have no part in the car being stolen.

Have I got that right or am I missing something????

[Mr Bimmer]

t8cmf said:

I tried the key in the lock thing today on my 2007 E92 M3 and as expected the windows dropped. I then went to my BMW dealership and booked it in for the firmware update which is happening on Friday morning. Hopefully the windows will not drop on Friday afternoon indicating that the update was successfully installed. I tried to get more information about the update from the dealership reference the OBD port disabling rumours. Their correspondence only refers to the window dropping feature via the key being removed. There was no mention of any programming changes to the OBD port at all. I was a little disappointed by this. Why would BMW lead this enhancement drive with a window dropping feature instead of the killer feature we all want which is a disabled OBD port? They do not refer to it at all in their literature.

Also, a question for Mr Bimmer, why do you / people keep referring to this issue as a key cloning issue? As far as my rudimentary knowledge on this subject goes no keys are being cloned. The thieves are accessing the CAS Module using their EDILOCK programmer and are authenticating the car (8 blank key spaces in module) to their own key which could be a blank or another BMW key. The owners original keys are not touched or cloned and have no part in the car being stolen.

Have I got that right or am I missing something????

Yes, you have it right. The Edilock machine won't be able to authenticate another key to a blank key slot. Excuse my terminlogy.

You won't get much information at all out of the BMW dealers. They aren't up to speed with exactly what's happening with the files. They only repeat what they are told.

Remember that after your update, the windows will still drop from the fob, but not from the actual brass key

[t8cmf]

Mr Bimmer said:

Yes, you have it right. The Edilock machine won't be able to authenticate another key to a blank key slot. Excuse my terminlogy.

You won't get much information at all out of the BMW dealers. They aren't up to speed with exactly what's happening with the files. They only repeat what they are told.

Remember that after your update, the windows will still drop from the fob, but not from the actual brass key

Okay.

I want to fit the new style iDrive controller and centre console to my M3 but mine is still on the 2007 firmware. The new controller requires the full firmware update to ensure it works. I assume the security update on Friday will only update the CAS Module and therefore the new iDrive controller will not work without the full update to the rest of the car. Is this right?

[Mr Bimmer]

t8cmf said:

Okay.

I want to fit the new style iDrive controller and centre console to my M3 but mine is still on the 2007 firmware. The new controller requires the full firmware update to ensure it works. I assume the security update on Friday will only update the CAS Module and therefore the new iDrive controller will not work without the full update to the rest of the car. Is this right?

Updating the CAS won't affect the idrive controller if you plan to retrofit a new controller into an older model, it would require a complete update of the vehicle.

[t8cmf]

Mr Bimmer said:

Updating the CAS won't affect the idrive controller if you plan to retrofit a new controller into an older model, it would require a complete update of the vehicle.

Cheers. I thought as much.

[Stuart Thompson]

Without trawling through 133 pages, will my 2005 120d be affected? And willit still get the update?

[MattRS74]

Mr Bimmer said:

....could you kindly try your actual metal key in your door lock and hold it against the stop when unlocking it from alarmed for a few seconds.

Does the window roll down?

Now do the same again with the fob, holding the unlock button from locked for a few seconds.

What happens?

Hi - I have a 135i produced in October 2011, which I understand from BMW should already have the changes mentioned in this thread. To confirm, mine behaves as expected - trying to drop the windows via the physical 'key in the lock' method has no effect, whilst the remote fob method does work..

Regards

Matt

[Mr Bimmer]

MattRS74 said:

Hi - I have a 135i produced in October 2011, which I understand from BMW should already have the changes mentioned in this thread. To confirm, mine behaves as expected - trying to drop the windows via the physical 'key in the lock' method has no effect, whilst the remote fob method does work..

Regards

Matt

Thanks Matt.

[youngsyr]

Just a thought - how much do the cloning machines cost?

Perhaps it's overly optimistic, but if a well-known (outside of the forum) member were to organise a collection from BMW-owning forum members to buy one, we could actually arrange a meet to find out whether it really is possible to programme a key without an original being present after the update.

I think that's the only way to be sure whether the security update actually is a fix.

Having said that, if Watchdog wanted to do a follow up feature, they could carry the cost and do the leg work for us?

Unless a forum member knows a friendly garage that has the programmer?

[Wooshine]

Hi everyone! newbie on this forum. I have got a 2007 330d tourer so I'm concern abt this matter too, I've read through many forums and understand the OBD needs to diabled .
The safest way is not letting them drawing info through the OBD port right ?

Any ideals is helpfull .

thanks

[Mr Bimmer]

youngsyr said:

Just a thought - how much do the cloning machines cost?

Perhaps it's overly optimistic, but if a well-known (outside of the forum) member were to organise a collection from BMW-owning forum members to buy one, we could actually arrange a meet to find out whether it really is possible to programme a key without an original being present after the update.

I think that's the only way to be sure whether the security update actually is a fix.

Having said that, if Watchdog wanted to do a follow up feature, they could carry the cost and do the leg work for us?

Unless a forum member knows a friendly garage that has the programmer?

The only way that Edilock would work is to roll back the CAS software to an older version which is time consuming.

I assume this will be their next approach into the system. This would take at least 10 minutes to roll back, then another 10 minutes to restore and would leave a thief vulnerable to being caught red handed with the Edilock still plugged in.

That would make for one very brave thief. Chances are that if they find the window roll not working, they will move onto another easier target.

Edited by Mr Bimmer on Wednesday 21st November 10:35

[Rotten Egg]

Right my E92 330D (registration date Jan 2009) has just been 'tweaked' by Sytner Oldbury.

The official line from the service manager is that all they have done is to disable the Comfort Access function via the key - Having never tried it using the key in the time I've owned the car, I can't comment on whether it worked before BUT it does still work using the key fob and holding down the open button - doesn't now work via the key method.

He insists that there is NO other software upgrade performed.

This is contrary to what I was told via the helpdesk when I booked it in and also via the helpdesk when I renewed the BMW Assist function last week.

Just a little feedback for anyone else in the same position.

Simon

[Billyray911]

Rotten Egg said:

Right my E92 330D (registration date Jan 2009) has just been 'tweaked' by Sytner Oldbury.

The official line from the service manager is that all they have done is to disable the Comfort Access function via the key - Having never tried it using the key in the time I've owned the car, I can't comment on whether it worked before BUT it does still work using the key fob and holding down the open button - doesn't now work via the key method.

He insists that there is NO other software upgrade performed.

This is contrary to what I was told via the helpdesk when I booked it in and also via the helpdesk when I renewed the BMW Assist function last week.

Just a little feedback for anyone else in the same position.

Simon

Cheers for the info.I'd be using the same dealership-did you get the work done by contacting the dealership direct or did you put yourself on the upgrade list,via the 0800 number?

[Rotten Egg]

I was on the upgrade list via the helpdesk - Sytner HQ called last Wednesday and booked the car in for today.

It took about an hour and a half all in.

Would have been 2 hours if I hadn't stepped in to stop them spending time washing it - The fact it's pi55ing it down didn't seem to make any sense to them . . . .