New BMW's getting stolen using blank BMW keys
Discussion
Munchy said:
Very useful info, it's quite possible that people press it twice just to make sure/deadlock. I wanted to buy another '55 5 series but it would probably just get taken again no matter what security I put on it, they have tools and software for everything.
Car info: PK55 FHR, 530d in Carbon Black
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Any tracker?Car info: PK55 FHR, 530d in Carbon Black
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Nuclear Biscuit said:
Trying hard to think of a good reason why the OBD interface isn't disabled in the absence of the key...
Because there is no mechanical key, the only way to let the car know the "owner" is there would be with the electronic key.If the electronic key has a problem, you'd be locked out for good.
With nearly all systems, there was a redundancy, you had a radio fob for the door locks and a metal key blade, and then the close proximity transponder chips.
Although it is now radio and transponder, there's no failsafe for electronic problems, so the CAS module is left open without key to fix key issues.
It isn't all that unusual. I found I could lock and unlock doors with a laptop on a Renault without the key being near, as the locking module doesn't go to sleep.
BMW can't do much with the CAS, but the CAS module has a list of keys that will be allowed, these would be the ones that would be made up in Germany and sent out as replacements.
What then happens is you get a readout from the CAS to see what key is expected next, and then make it.
There's 128bit encryption on the ECUs to stop them being remapped, but they left the "door" open on the car instead.
TheEnd said:
Because there is no mechanical key, the only way to let the car know the "owner" is there would be with the electronic key.
If the electronic key has a problem, you'd be locked out for good.
With nearly all systems, there was a redundancy, you had a radio fob for the door locks and a metal key blade, and then the close proximity transponder chips.
Although it is now radio and transponder, there's no failsafe for electronic problems, so the CAS module is left open without key to fix key issues.
It isn't all that unusual. I found I could lock and unlock doors with a laptop on a Renault without the key being near, as the locking module doesn't go to sleep.
BMW can't do much with the CAS, but the CAS module has a list of keys that will be allowed, these would be the ones that would be made up in Germany and sent out as replacements.
What then happens is you get a readout from the CAS to see what key is expected next, and then make it.
There's 128bit encryption on the ECUs to stop them being remapped, but they left the "door" open on the car instead.
This really puts me off getting a BMW. Might stick with Audi. If the electronic key has a problem, you'd be locked out for good.
With nearly all systems, there was a redundancy, you had a radio fob for the door locks and a metal key blade, and then the close proximity transponder chips.
Although it is now radio and transponder, there's no failsafe for electronic problems, so the CAS module is left open without key to fix key issues.
It isn't all that unusual. I found I could lock and unlock doors with a laptop on a Renault without the key being near, as the locking module doesn't go to sleep.
BMW can't do much with the CAS, but the CAS module has a list of keys that will be allowed, these would be the ones that would be made up in Germany and sent out as replacements.
What then happens is you get a readout from the CAS to see what key is expected next, and then make it.
There's 128bit encryption on the ECUs to stop them being remapped, but they left the "door" open on the car instead.
I think the original post stands, there is little point in talking about checking to see if the door has been locked, or to check if someone has jammed your signal. The police who are arresting these car theives have told me they have coded keys direct from BMW. They dont know how they are getting them but they are. so its just as easy for them to steal your BMW as it is for you to just drive it away. Their advice to me was, unless your car is in a secure locked garage 24 /7 dont bother buying a new BMW, especially not a M series as these are the ones getting stolen the most. since january 2012 over 250 BMW's have been stolen in the west midlands region alone.
neilkav said:
I think the original post stands, there is little point in talking about checking to see if the door has been locked, or to check if someone has jammed your signal. The police who are arresting these car theives have told me they have coded keys direct from BMW. They dont know how they are getting them but they are. so its just as easy for them to steal your BMW as it is for you to just drive it away. Their advice to me was, unless your car is in a secure locked garage 24 /7 dont bother buying a new BMW, especially not a M series as these are the ones getting stolen the most. since january 2012 over 250 BMW's have been stolen in the west midlands region alone.
Do you mean m sport cars or actually M3s and M5s etc?Deva Link said:
BE57 TOY said:
This really puts me off getting a BMW. Might stick with Audi.
A mate of mine of mine got rid of his S4 after being mugged for the second time as he approached it.In Malaysia a biometric protected Mercedes was stolen after the thieves chopped off the owner's finger.
BE57 TOY said:
TheEnd said:
That really puts me off getting an Audi. Might stick with BM.
Haha. Funny!I think Audi theft is a lot less rife than BMW theft from a totally flawed key system.
BE57 TOY said:
St John Smythe said:
Not really. Someone dodgy could work at an Audi dealership and do exactly the same thing by copying owners keys.
They could, but they don't. Maybe Audi have better process and controls. Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff